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Last post Mon, Aug 15 2005 by irvind, 31 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Jun 26 2005 19:48
by Heimi
Joined on Sun, Jan 04 2004, Zürich - Switzerland, Posts 63
Just a question:

Is it worth to buy the exsManager from Redmatica with 10.4 (Tiger) and Logic 7.1?

Any experience?

Thanks for your inputs.

Heimi
Posted on Mon, Jun 27 2005 16:10
by Klaus
Joined on Tue, Oct 22 2002, Munich, Germany, Posts 17
definetely - works just perfect
Posted on Mon, Jun 27 2005 16:38
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
If you're using VSL, I'd go as far as to say it's not worth it to avoid buying it. Smile
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Tue, Jun 28 2005 00:27
by cug
Joined on Mon, Aug 23 2004, Los Angeles , Posts 41
I haven't tried it with 10.4 but it's very fast under 10.3.

I've found the relinking and sample merge features indispensable.

Carlos
Carlos Garza
Silent Orchestra
Posted on Tue, Jun 28 2005 10:18
by irvind
Joined on Mon, Dec 29 2003, Glasgow, UK, Posts 257
Remember that Sample Merge comes with the more expensive version, not the standard version.
Posted on Tue, Jun 28 2005 19:03
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
It's the same under 10.4.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Mon, Aug 08 2005 18:26
by nick@madhatter
Joined on Fri, Jul 30 2004, Los Angeles, Posts 36
Dear Irvind,

This is the second time I've seen you post comments about "the more expensive version" of ExsManager. For less than $100, one can hardly call ExsManager expensive at all...and for such a fantastic product!

Best,
Nick
Posted on Mon, Aug 08 2005 18:52
by irvind
Joined on Mon, Dec 29 2003, Glasgow, UK, Posts 257
Dear Nick,

cug wrote "I've found the relinking and sample merge features indispensable" and therefore I thought it fair to point out that there are two versions, and the unwary buyer might fall into the trap of buying the lesser of the two versions without that knowledge. However, since the functions are clearly listed on the Redmatica website I'll stop mentioning it.

Whether a product is expensive or not is matter a of one's circumstances, and as you correctly pointed out, I didn't actually call it expensive, but rather that one version was more expensive than the other.

Have a nice day,

Irvin
Posted on Mon, Aug 08 2005 21:12
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172
I am very glad I just purchased EXS Manager Pro myself. I did find, however, that I didn't really need to use Sample Merge just yet as my mac (dual 1.42 G4) will max out on RAM before the sample count would be hit. However, being able to rearrange the samples and streamline the setup was fantastic. I highly reccomend it.
Chris
Posted on Mon, Aug 08 2005 23:04
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
It also halves the loading time, so it's worth doing anyway in my opinion.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Tue, Aug 09 2005 17:49
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172
Nick Batzdorf wrote:
It also halves the loading time, so it's worth doing anyway in my opinion.


How right you are. A simple a/b test prooved that so now I sample merged my Opus1 library and redid my channel strips.
Chris
Posted on Tue, Aug 09 2005 17:57
by irvind
Joined on Mon, Dec 29 2003, Glasgow, UK, Posts 257
Hello all,

Is it the SampleMerge aspect that increases the loading time? If so I'd consider upgrading. At the minute I'm having problems with my Sampletekk pianos creating nothing but white noise, so maybe the SampleMerge would help that too...?

Cheers

Irvin
Posted on Tue, Aug 09 2005 18:37
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
Samplemerge consolidates programs with lots of samples into single files, which I assume simply reduces the amount of seeking EXS has to do. I'm guessing that Andrea viewed Samplemerge's raison d'etre as being because Logic can only handle so many open files, and this reduces that number. But the reduced loading time is a great benefit.

Sampletekk's pianos aren't in EXS format, are they? EXSmanager is only for EXS, of course. And white noise sounds like corruption. You might just try reinstalling the software, unless there's something I don't know.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Tue, Aug 09 2005 18:50
by irvind
Joined on Mon, Dec 29 2003, Glasgow, UK, Posts 257
Thanks for the SampleMerge info Nick.

Sampletekk's pianos are available in EXS format, which is of course what I have, but Per at Sampletekk reckons the white noise problem exists because of multiple copies of the same sample, but of course ExsManager is very good at spotting identical copies of samples, and it hasn't spotted anything.
I have deleted and re-installed the pianos to no avail, and it puts me in a bit of a dilemma, since I don't know which product is causing the problem. The White Grand (and White Sister) worked great until (sometime) after I installed ExsManager, but of course I don't want to blame either product...
Posted on Tue, Aug 09 2005 22:31
by C_Caouette
Joined on Thu, Mar 11 2004, Posts 172
EXS Manager may indeed help the white noise problem (in fact it is mentioned in the manual). It has the ability to move or delete unused or clone samples.
Chris
Posted on Wed, Aug 10 2005 02:12
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1128
Just so it doesn't go unsaid, EM would only find duplicates if they fell within the path description or sample checkboxes. The program only looks where you ask it to look. To make sure it's seeing everything, you could set a path to your entire drive and then consider the clone count (if you haven't done that already). It's a much longer operation, of course, to check the whole drive. Still, it's well worth it considering what you're up against.

Any EXS instrument declared "complete" by EM should be self-existing in Logic. And in theory, if EXS still finds duplicates, it should tell you, and then you'd choose which one to use. So I'm not sure this is a duplicates issue.

Hope you can break through on this one.
Posted on Wed, Aug 10 2005 04:33
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
That's intriguing, Dragonwind. I guess I should RTFM, eh?

What actually causes the noise?
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Wed, Aug 10 2005 09:42
by irvind
Joined on Mon, Dec 29 2003, Glasgow, UK, Posts 257
Plowman,

Tried as you suggested and set the path to see all samples, but no clones found. Also made no difference to the white noise situation.

For the record I did a complete deletion and re-install of White Grand samples and instruments recently, also to no avail. The White Sister instrument has the same problem, and another piano has a few notes of white noise. With the White Grand, I can hear a piano sample in there on all notes, but it's very quiet compared to the white noise.

I didn't really want to ask about it here since it's not in relation to VSL, but I'm very glad of any thoughts or ideas...

Thanks,

Irvin
Posted on Wed, Aug 10 2005 16:49
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1128
Two other thoughts, both of which you may have tried.

When you find a note that isn't sounding -- or one submerged in white noise -- go into EXS edit, find the zone, open the sample (click "E" between the start and end frame boxes), then in Sample Editor, click the speaker icon to audition it. What do you hear? Does it playback correctly, if at all?

If you still hear nothing, or the white noise, I'd load the same WAV into another playback program (QuickTime, iTunes, Waveburner) and verify that the sample is damaged.

If the sample plays back correctly in QT, etc., but not in Logic, the last try I can think of is to go to EXS edit, select all zones, then under the menu "zones," click "Update selected zone(s) info from audio file."

Hope something here helps.
Posted on Fri, Aug 12 2005 16:44
by irvind
Joined on Mon, Dec 29 2003, Glasgow, UK, Posts 257
Plowman,

Thanks for the suggestions, which I tried, but all samples were sounding as they should when I checked, and the "Update selected zone(s) info from audio file" command didn't help either.

However, I have had a bit of a breakthrough today, and after deleting White Grand and White Sister files, re-installing White Grand, deleting the one cloned sample, and checking the "Name and Path" box in References, then processing, White Grand now loads up as it should. I also upgraded today to the Pro version of ExsManager, and after samplemerging (which isn't particularly easy to master for the braindead amongst us..) loading now takes about 37 seconds instead of 47. Is that typical of the loading improvement that I should expect?

Only thing is, the other White Grand instrument (with no Release) has samplemerged with white noise, so it's not been a complete success! And I still have some white noise notes in a different piano that I can't get rid of. However, I have 5 bottles of Spanish red at my disposal, and after a few hours of cursing and swearing, I'm sure I'll work it out somehow.

Thanks for the help so far!

Irvin
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