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Last post Sat, May 25 2019 by civilization 3, 10 replies.
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Posted on Mon, May 20 2019 23:32
by Zack Hexum
Joined on Wed, Dec 20 2017, Posts 10

I'm having some issues with multi output routing in kontakt. I'm using ve pro 6 on a PC slave, and Logic Pro X on a mac. If I load up sixteen instruments in one instance of VE Pro, and then route that to my mac, channels 27-28, 29-30, and 31-32 are mono. I'm using the "clear output and create one individual channel for each loaded instrument" and for some reason these last channels aren't working.

If I instead try to create a bunch of outputs from scratch and route them one at a time up to 32, they get split into the wrong channels. Output 11 and output 12 are showing up as going out of master bus 6 and master bus 7 at the same time. I think this means that master bus 6 is receiving 10 and 11 (instead of 9 and 10) and master bus 7 is receiving 12 and 13 (instead of 11 and 12), and the outputs are moved off by one number from that point (which makes it sound mono on Logic).

Sooo... what do I do? Is there a level of settings that shows how things are routed between kontakt and VE Pro that I'm unaware of?

I've created all my channels in ve pro by pressing the plus sign in the master bus track, and then shift option clicking the first output to cascade them to the different outputs.

Posted on Tue, May 21 2019 00:40
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

I don't follow your last paragraph at all.

 

But never mind, I'll show you what to do.

this is a Kontakt channel,, Stereo to Stereo. This is the designated communication with that instance.

It should do what it says on the tin, in so many words. 
I have not used Kontakt for a mono out, ever. This probably doesn't do any mono, as you see but 32 and the limit is 64 for "Kontakt".

 

However, I'll indicate what I do for an instrument which is outputting both stereo and mono by default, next.

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Posted on Tue, May 21 2019 00:48
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

 

Oh well, never mind, the forum doesn't want to alttach that one.

 

 

So we know that Kontakt does 64 channels in all, and seeing "32" as the last possibility these will pretty much have to be stereo. I suppose then this is how Stereo to Stereo functions.

 

I tried to show something using mono outs by default, but I don't know how I know that to begin with. I may even have read the manual. ;)

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Posted on Tue, May 21 2019 01:47
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

So, I tested this in VEP 7 and in Cubase 10. Both output 6 stereo channels as expected.

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Posted on Tue, May 21 2019 05:20
by Zack Hexum
Joined on Wed, Dec 20 2017, Posts 10

I appreciate the help!

Well... the issue is this, if I have a stereo kontakt instrument, say "cello staccato" and I route it to input 1, using channels 1-2, everything works as expected, if I route that same stereo instrument to input 15, which should be using channels 27-28, I think the audio is actually coming out channel 28 and 29. Kontakt shows that it it's only sending it 27-28, but ve pro is showing it's sending out input 15 and input 16 simultaneously. The stereo imaging is all wrong, and it sounds like it's a mono signal coming out of both channels. Does that make sense?

Here's my attempt at posting screenshots:

kontakt routing

ve pro routing when playing one note, comes out of two channels

Thanks!

Posted on Wed, May 22 2019 21:04
by Zack Hexum
Joined on Wed, Dec 20 2017, Posts 10

Welp. I give up. I tried restarting, and rebuilding the outputs in kontakt from scratch again (and again), but no luck.

I guess it never occurred to me, but I'm just going to open up multiple kontakt instances inside the ve pro instance...

[Update] yep, that worked fine. Gah, wish that would've occurred to me sooner

Posted on Fri, May 24 2019 16:47
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

Originally Posted by: Zack Hexum Go to Quoted Post
if I route that same stereo instrument to input 15, which should be using channels 27-28, I think the audio is actually coming out channel 28 and 29. 

Input 15 is looking for 29 and 30.

 

multiply the input number by 2 to get the second number as per Kontakt's outs (if they're all stereo).

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Posted on Fri, May 24 2019 17:02
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

However this is not the cause of what I just experienced, which pretty much reproduces the issue:

 

a .nki assigned to up to 'st. 10', VEP is looking for 19-20, is fine.
At 'st. 11' VEP, looking for 21-22, is outputting st. 10, 11, and 12;

at 'st 12', no signal. 

This appears to be broken somewhere.

 

EDIT: this is Kontakt '6'

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Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 18:24
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

Kontakt 5.8.1 works perfectly in Cubase Pro (10.0.20)  for 19-20 (aka Unassigned 7-8 in the configuration I have) and 21-22 (or Un 9-10) separated normally. It does exactly the same thing as Kontakt 6.04 in VE Pro 7.

I think we have a bug.

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Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 18:27
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1518

I do multiple outputs from Kontakt very seldomly and when I do it's few, maybe 4 at most but I wanted to be certain. Past 20, or VEP's Input 10, it breaks. Apparently where Kontakt deems its outputs 'Unassigned' they are pairs of mono in its paradigm. EG: Cubase sees the default list and "21-22" is two channels. VE Pro for Stereo to Stereo only sees stereo pairs.
This is kind of a basic incompatibility. I'm glad I never needed this.

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