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Last post Tue, May 28 2019 by Dietz, 13 replies.
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Posted on Fri, May 24 2019 23:25
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88
Just want to make sure i’m Setting up the synchron player in vep with mir correctly. My big question is that synchron places the instruments in the synchron stage in their proper position. So in the mixing window in vep do I have my synchron player channels with mir turned on or off. Also do I route it inline or , in my case since I am splitting off each string section to it’s own output, do I have mir on and then use the bus to route to the pro-era output.

What I am hearing is that with mir on and in line I lose the synchron player panning. If I turn on mire in the channel and rout it to the bus I get the synchron panning.

It’s just confusing and I can’t find anything that addresses this in the synchron, vep or mir manuals (at least not in a way that I am understanding it).
Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 09:48
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7385

Synchron Instruments and Vienna Instruments rely on different approaches to sampling. While SI were recorded in place and come with (what the lingo calls) "baked-in" reverb and positioning/panning, VI were recorded centered and without noticeable reverb.

The latter approach lends itself perfectly to very flexible (and malleable) setups with tools like MIR Pro, but it needs some manual adjustments. The former approach is easier to start with, but it's very hard to change the sonic fingerprint of the recording.

To use SI in MIR Pro I would suggest to use the close-mics only. This will allow MIR Pro to apply its magic to a certain extent.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 15:15
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88
Dietz-
I really like the baked in sound of synchron instruments and the synchron player brings some controls that I really like. The problem for me is that I’m combining different instruments in vep with the synchron instruments to fatten the sound. Those other instruments (both VI pro and other libraries) are being placed in mir pro on the synchron stage and then combined with he synchron placed instruments on a output bus so I have control in my daw over the mix levels of violins I &II, violas, etc. in my daw.

So my question is really in vep how do I keep he baked in sound of synchron instruments when I have mir pro running in vep to place the other instruments? When I turn off mir on a mixing channel for a synchron instrument in vep, it appears I lose the automatic placement (the baked in sound). I just want the synchron instruments to pass through to the output bus untouched to be combined with VI pro instruments and others I have placed in mir. Does that make sense?

Geoff
Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 15:47
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7385

My approach would be to use MIR Pro with the additional instruments only, while using Synchron Instruments as they appear in the samples. I would combine them in a bus (a.k.a. "sub-mix") to have control over the complete groups of instruments.

... MIR Pro will have to reside on the individual channels of the non-Synchron Instruments, not the sub-mix, of course.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 16:39
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 541

If you are using Synchron stage in MirPro for all your VI instruments, then just use the Synchron instruments without MirPro like Dietz said..they are already processed and placed on the virtual stage in the Synchron instrument.  You can't see them on the MirPro stage GUI is all, but sonically it should be similar.

If you want to use them in MirPro for any reason, such as using different stage or moving them around on stage, etc.. then use the close mics, but also make sure to mono-ize them before hitting MirPro.  I'm not sure if Synchron player has a setting for that or if the close mics are already solo?

but you can use this free plugin to do that also:  https://www.plugin-alliance.com/en/products/bx_solo.html

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Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 19:44
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

Dietz- That is exactly what I am trying to do. I've bypassed MIR in the mixing board of VEP but the signal is straight up center. I've lost the panning and location in the synchron stage from the Synchron Instrument. Plus I still see a representation of the Synchron Instrument in MIR. This is why I'm confused. 

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Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 20:18
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 541
Remove mirpro completely from those channels.
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Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 20:18
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7385

To avoid any confusion, I would remove all MIR Pro instances from Synchro Instrument channels. I assume that you used mono-to-stereo instances of MIR Pro for one reason or the other. This will mono-ize the input signal even when the plug-in itself is bypassed. BTW: A bypassed instance will remain visible on a MIR Venue's stage, too.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 20:24
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

Okay, I have removed the Mir Pro from those channels. I don't undertand the monoi version of Mir Pro comment. Did I set something up in a bone headed mono fashion?

Posted on Sat, May 25 2019 20:48
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7385

:-)

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Posted on Mon, May 27 2019 02:49
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

Seems to all be working fine now. It appears MIR is all in stereo unless there is something you saw that said it wasn't. Appreciate your help and your incredible products.

Geoff

Posted on Tue, May 28 2019 18:53
by Sing4doe
Joined on Sat, Jun 18 2005, Posts 88

Deitz- Checked all the MIR settings and they were set to mono-stereo instead of stereo to stereo. Everything is sounding incredible and I'm getting the kind of sound that I have been hoping for. Truly stunning!!! Thanks for you help.

Geoff

Posted on Tue, May 28 2019 19:08
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7385

You're welcome! Thanks for your friendly words. 

All the best,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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