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  • Cube: Standard vs Extended

    Hi there,

    I upgraded the Symphonic Cube to the full version. Now, in Vienna Instruments I have the instruments twice:

    • Standard version under category “Download Instruments”
    • Full version under category “A - Strings”, “B - Woodwinds” etc.

    Can I delete the standard versions in order to save disk space? Because the patches in category A, B, C, ... contain both standard and extended versions. Is this correct?

    Many thanks in advance.


  • Hi,

    yes, you can delete the Standard version. But keep in mind, that old projects will show that these articulations are missing. You can replace them with the articulations from the Full library.

    Best, Ben


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • I also started with STD and later upgraded to Full, but its not clear to me how to tell if I have duplicated presets or not?  Can you guys please explain this a little further, I would like to make sure my preset list is not duplicated in any way also.


  • Under the "Download Instrument" category are only standard versions.


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • Hm... I only noticed that I have the instruments twice after the upgrade, i.e. I had to download the full libraries and install them beside the standard libraries.

    Now I have all my instruments as full libraries, and well organised under the A, B, C, ... categories. I don't need to look in the “Download Instruments” category again.

    I always wondered why some instruments were installed in the “Download Instruments” category and some in the A, B, C ... categories. This is confusing, because even the installed instrument folders on the hard drive have different numbers/names for standard and full libraries. I think these are relics from the DVD era. Don't know for sure.


  • Yes, you are right, the name is confusing because all libraries can now be downloaded.

    There are some differences, depending on library / collection, but in general

    - if you buy a single instrument, you will get a download instrument.
    - if you buy the entire collection (standard), you will get the collection (not the download version).
    - if you buy a single instrument and upgrade to the standard collection, you will get the downlaod version of all other instruments in the collection, but not the collection version.
    - if you buy the full version of  a single instrument you will get the same version as in the collection.


    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • I don't see any category called "Download Instrument", but maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?  Where do I look for that?


  • In the player on the right side in the articulation list.

    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • this is what I see

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  • You don't have any download instruments installed.

    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
  • I downloaded everything from my account and installed it.  Why don't I have that installed?  I started with Cube Std, later I bought the Full, also appassionata and dimensions strings and brass and all the extra winds, etc.  I bought almost everything and downloaded everything.  So why am I missing that?


  • Why do you need the download instruments when you have the collection instruments? Download instruments are stripped down versions of the collection instruments.

    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist
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    @bbelius said:

    Yes, you are right, the name is confusing because all libraries can now be downloaded.

    There are some differences, depending on library / collection, but in general

    - if you buy a single instrument, you will get a download instrument.
    - if you buy the entire collection (standard), you will get the collection (not the download version).
    - if you buy a single instrument and upgrade to the standard collection, you will get the downlaod version of all other instruments in the collection, but not the collection version.
    - if you buy the full version of  a single instrument you will get the same version as in the collection.

    Thanks, Ben!!! This is very helpful and answers all of my questions. 

    And also explains the last question by Dewdman42.


  • That’s a good question well maybe I don’t I am still just trying to understand. I definitely bought everything as a collection of some kind is that why I don’t have download category?

  • Hi Dewdman42, 

    Your questions will be easier answered via support@vsl.co.at, we can see your registered products and help with specific upgrade prices. 

    The more specific your questions, the better.

    Best,
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • upgrade prices?  I'm not asking about that.  Never mind it doesn't really matter, I just was responding to the other users's question because I started with Cube STD and later upgraded to FULL and they said they saw a Download category and someone else said it could be deleted as a duplicate so I just wanted to make sure I don't have any duplicates (which it sounds like I don't), even though I also started at STD and later upgraded to FULL (cube).  But in going through that I started wondering WHY I don't have the download category, and now I think I understand its because it has to do with if I had ever bought any individual instruments, which I never did I always bought everything as collections... So hopefully that is why I don't have a download category and also don't have any duplicates..

    I already own most of the instruments, I don't need to know any prices, I just wanted to make sure I don't have any duplicate presets that would be causing me confusion.  I'm still learning my way around the preset lists.


  • It's not exactly as simple as has been presented, except if all you did was Cube Standard and then added Extended, probably in VSL Data you may see Full vs something else, and the not-Full will be redundant.

    I have I think 3 Download instruments which have no distinction, there is the one version and it's quite 'Full'.


  • I bought Cube Std, then later Cube Full.  Then later dimension stuff, appassionata was somewhere in there, also I think I got first as STD and later as FULl, then later I got the winds complete package.

    I never bought any indivisual instruments.

    I'm pretty confident I have all the presets corresponding to everything I have purchased, just kinda wanted to make sure I don't have any duplicates on the list...  Where is "VSL Data" that you mention?


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    @bbelius said:

    Yes, you are right, the name is confusing because all libraries can now be downloaded.

    There are some differences, depending on library / collection, but in general

    - if you buy a single instrument, you will get a download instrument.
    - if you buy the entire collection (standard), you will get the collection (not the download version).
    - if you buy a single instrument and upgrade to the standard collection, you will get the downlaod version of all other instruments in the collection, but not the collection version.
    - if you buy the full version of  a single instrument you will get the same version as in the collection.

    I didn't see this before.  thanks for the explanation.  It sounds like to me, the only case for ending up with duplicate presets is if we start with a single instrument (std) purchase and upgrade either that single instrument to full or to any collection (std or full) that has the same instrument in it, then that is when we might end up with a duplicate Download Category which would be safe to delete.  Sound about right?


  • Yes.

    Ben@VSL | IT & Product Specialist