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Help with Optimisation VE7 Slave
Last post Sun, Jun 16 2019 by DEY, 15 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2019 12:08
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Hi

I know there are loads of users able to push large amounts of template data from slaves using VEP however I would appreciate some help as I am struggling to get anything useful running without audio clicks.

Master is a Mac 3.2ghz 6 core with 64G Ram - Slave is a Mac 2.9ghz quad core zeon with 48Ghz Ram. The connection between them is a dedicated PCIe card - 10Gigabit Direct link. I have a separated Router link for internet etc. The 10Gbit cards are purely for running VEP.

I was advised to turn off multprocessor settings in Kontakt. This made things worse. I only have a few instances running and im getting clicks etc. I would really appreciate it if someone can share the secret of how this is achievable.....Not enough on this in the manual....

Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2019 13:30
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11034

Hi, 

48 GHz RAM :-)

What are your buffer settings, which soundcard are you using?

Does the performance get better if you connect the 2 computers directly (or is that already the case)?

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jun 14 2019 13:36
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Hi Paul

Thank you for spotting my error :) Im sure my computer decided to put that not me

Are you referring to VEpro? or buffer sizes on the host sequencer? Im using Avid HD Native card in thr host with a Focusrite Red Pre 16. 

Each machine has a 10Gbit ethernet card solely for VEp connected directly. I have sent loads of screenshots to support of activity monitors - network throuput/monitoring of those ports etc -

David

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 05:43
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11034

Hi,

Sorry for the delay. I was referring to the buffer settings in both your soundcard (latency) AND the network buffer settings you can add in the VE PRO plug-in. 

Did you try a direct connectio between those computers yet (to eliminate any troubles that could be caused by a router)?

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 08:43
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Hi Paul

Buffer in Logic was 64 - currently trying at 128. Its less playable due to latency at 128 though

Network Buffers in VE Pro on slave and host is 2 buffers. Im using only one instance in each VEpro . On slave the threads are set to 7 of the 8 available in VE prefs. 

The 10gbit connection is a direct one - no router

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 08:46
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11034

Hi, 

Thanks. Do you get the same behaviour when you play the Synchron Player with Epic Orchestra 2.0? 

Also, is it the same with all your Kontakt instruments?

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 08:53
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Its not just kontakt , but predominantly....

Ive been looking at Steven Steels video on youtube re Kontakt optimisation and experimenting with the sample buffer. My slave performs better using more Ram so I set it all the way to the right. On bigger sessions that may not work but im nowhere near a big session with this as it is.

I have to admit I havent downloaded epic orch 2.0 as yet. I will do though. 

Im a little concerned Im not getting true 10gigabit through these new cards I have just purchased. Ive sent a variety of test screenshots through to you guys. I have downloaded an app which monitors the level of data through the particular connection live.  Appreciate any reccomendations. Im desperate to nail the workflow with VEP

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 08:56
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11034

Hi, 

Just trying to find out if this is Kontakt-related, and I know that our Synchron Player software works flawlessly. 

You won't need 10 GBit, maybe those cards are also the reason for the troubles. Any chance you want to try with a standard 1 GBit connection?

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 09:29
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Makes sense.....Ill download it this morning - run some tests and report back...thanks

I bought these cards last week as I was having these issues with my dedicated 1gbit connection - It was worse with 1 gbit. 

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 09:33
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11034

Hi DEY, 

That's weird. If 1 GBit was worse, something else could be wrong in your setup. Works for literally thousands of users here. 

Did you check that all 3rd party security / optimization programs are switched off?

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 09:35
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

I dont have firewalls on in security prefs. which optimisation progs are you referring to?

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 19:31
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 11034

Hi, 

There are many additional programs  out there, from "Little Snitch" to Anti-Virus programs. 

Anything that could block communication...

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 19:50
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Hi

There arent any of those in my system. Downloaded sycron library today will check back when I try ot tomorrow.

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 19:58
by Louis Colan
Joined on Fri, Sep 22 2017, Posts 14

If you set the buffers to maximum in Logic and then use Logic's own tools (enabled from the Transport Bar) for software monitoring and low latency playback when playing live/recording does that give you click free playback ?

Posted on Sun, Jun 16 2019 20:00
by DEY
Joined on Sun, Mar 26 2006, Posts 11

Hi Louis

Are you taking playback buffers on logics audio settings or VEP?

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