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  • There are 512 parameters: which one for for the various articulations in Solo?

    Hi forum,

    I want to automate the various articulations in the SOLO violin track. But there are 512 parameters.. how do I determine which one is for which articulation?

    I use VE Ensemble PRO. 

    Best regards

    Dylan


  • The usual approach to articulations is keyswitches, set up in the instrument.

    If you're talking about the 512 parameters in the automation map per an instance of VE Pro, that doesn't apply except what you see, Disable and Bypass which are toggles.

     

    That's for VI, Synchron Player entries will tend to have a long list of mixer parameters.


  • Thank you, C3.

    I have a 25 key keyboard, which is ok for a guitarplayer like me. But you gave me an idea: maybe it's possible to record the articulations on the actual violin track.. afterwards. I'll try this first and let you know if it works.

    Dylan


  • It works. It takes some time practicing, but that goes for everything worth while doing.

    Thanks again, C3!

    Dylan


  • I pencil them in and then play, little bits at a time.


  • Hi C4,

    Now you're confusing me... Do you mean that you can actually use the pencil tool to start/end glissando's, pizzicato's etc? Similar to what we do with volume, velocity etc?

    That would be really great. What I did was adding the changes to the already tracked solo violin. That works fine, as I mentioned earlier in this thread. But unfortunately these changes are not visible. 

    Would you be so kind to let me know how to do that?

    Dylan


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    Yeah, I draw them in in the Cubase Key Editor. I draw very elaborate parts in actually.
    This one, two whole sections of the composition wazs 100% pencil tool.

    penciled


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    for example [audio]

    If I'm doing MPE work, I use the ROLI Seaboard, there's no other way. But for regular note-ons, I'm going to spend so much time editing it may as well all be 'editing'. I use the line tool and parabola tool about half the time for controller lanes.

    for things like solo 'acoustic' instruments, it's a LOT of keyswitches/articulations anyway,


  • Thank you for the info, C4.

    I'm on Protools 10.3.7, so it may take me a while to figure this out.

    Dylan     


  • C3, I have it worked out. PTisn't that different from Cubase after all.

    For others who are interested in this thread: open the midi editor (ctrl+). On those lanes you normally pencildraw notes. But you can also draw 'notes' for these blue-ish keys. For some reason these blue-ish keys don't show up blue-ish in this editor, so it's search-and-hit.

    I received a pic from Marnix that clearly shows how to do it. I will post this as soon as possible.

    Dylan.

    PS I just learned that I don't know how to attach that pic.. Never mind, the text is clear enough.


  • Yeah, there may be hosts that can do that kind of thing. The keyswitches by default are outside the instruments' range. If they are, or they include bass instruments, up above the range. You gotta make sure eg., C1 or what-have-you is the same in PT. The default VSL goes with is C4 is middle C; Cubase's is C3. (Roland vs Yahama numbering from the outset of MIDI)


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    Will you post images or vid on how you are doing this?

    I'm also a guitar player, use Cakewalk and I'm currently looking for videos on how to setup Drum Maps to Key Switch various Articulations. Cakewalk forums havwe some interesting Methods to control KeySwitch.

    I'll create a new thread for Guitar players using MIDI where we can post tips like this.
    thanks!


  • I should have pointed out that in my picture the keyswitches are below 'E0' for that instrument. If I had a longer horizontal row of cells, starting at C0 is going to run into the play range at 'D#0' (a semitone below reality on the upright bass actually, but there it is) and where there is a ks the note doesnt play; so I would go above range.

    I make tiny short notes with velocity = 9 for keyswitch so that visually I don't tend to mistake the notes for anything else. They're just notes, there is nothing more special beyond them being switches. I'm using multiple matrices instead of long H rows here; cells are C0-D0. Matrix 1 is performance legato and like; 2 is short and long and snap-like; 3 is noises + arco. Some people don't care a lot for matrices, preferring a busier single matrix (switching perhaps vertically to multiple H rows); and I've had keyswitches which got too complex to be read reliably with a lot of latency. Matrices are switched from the C-1 octave.

    The VSL ks is always latched, meaning you have that cell until you specify a new ks.


  • Again, the VSL defaults for those note numbers read an octave higher, cf., C1 etc.


  • Hi, 

    Default C4 can be set in Preferences in all our players. 

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • it's under the gear icon 'General Settings' MIDI settings in VI, Interface in Synchron.