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Posted on Wed, Jul 31 2019 13:09
by Philvis
Joined on Tue, Jan 06 2015, United Kingdom, Posts 6

Hi there

I was wondering if anyone had experience of combining a real live instrument with MIR. 

I am about to record a soloist for some film music, the accompaniement to which is already done in Logic/VSL using one of the MIR Rooms. 

My idea is to get a completely dry recording from the studio, then get it home and add the recording so that it is heard in the same acoustical setting as the virtual instruments.

Does anyone have any recommendations how to get the best result? I am tempted to let the studio engineer finish everything in the studio (which would mean using the studio acoustic or one of the studio's reverbs). It would mean less work for me, but may mean a more compromised recording.

All suggestions gratefully received!

Philip

Philip Smith
Posted on Wed, Jul 31 2019 14:00
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 106

Hi Philip,

my personal experience boils down to a few things:

1) If you "sink" a part into a properly mixed virtual performance, noticeable ambient difference diminishes quite a bit. Depends on your specific setting, in the end, but the scenario you describe has a pretty good chance to work. Check this out, for example:

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t50866-Boccherini---String-Quintet-op-41-ndeg1-with-the-turkish-Finale----violin-and-VSL-Instruments#post280410

I think you should be able to find other good examples on this forum.

2) Since it's a soloist, you actually *want* that part to stand out, in a certain sense. As soon as you find a proper dry/mix ratio while doing #1, the difference will actually work to your advantage.

Regards,

Crusoe.

Posted on Wed, Jul 31 2019 14:13
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 498
Hi Philip,

I have done this with some instruments, solists and a choir of 24 singers. Worked good. In my experience it works best with dry recordings that are near to the instrument/ singer, but not too near because it will take you some EQing to make the sound sit in the room. For the choir I used one mic per section at a distance of 2-3m. I also mixed a main mic (ORTF) without MIR to these recordings. For soloists and instruments a distance of 0.5-1.5m should work fine.
It can be a little tricky to find the right amount of reverberation time, wet sound and first/secondary mic. The singers sounded too far away, so I used a mic setup with additional center mic for singers only.

Also the integration with the VSL instruments with MIR / Synchron worked fine and blended in.

Best, Ben
Ben | Cubase 9.5 Pro | Win 10 1903 | i5 8600k @4.4 GHz, 32GB DDR4
Posted on Fri, Aug 09 2019 14:34
by stefan_telser
Joined on Wed, Mar 14 2007, Posts 86

Hi,

very interesting topic.

We recently recorded svereral tracks with a Lute with a stereo mike in the studio.
Should I convert the signal to Mono before feeding it into MIR?

Best Stefan

Posted on Fri, Aug 09 2019 14:47
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 498

Hi Stefan,

MIR can handle stereo signals. Make sure you don't use a to wide stereo setting for the player in MIR if you want sound a natural reverb in the room (the size of the ellipse).
If you experience any problems with the stereo signal, you can try using only one of the mics or a mix.

Best, Ben

Ben | Cubase 9.5 Pro | Win 10 1903 | i5 8600k @4.4 GHz, 32GB DDR4
Posted on Fri, Aug 09 2019 14:56
by stefan_telser
Joined on Wed, Mar 14 2007, Posts 86

Hi Ben,

thanks for the quick reply!

Best, Stefan

Posted on Fri, Aug 09 2019 22:57
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7248

Originally Posted by: stefan_telser Go to Quoted Post

Should I convert the signal to Mono before feeding it into MIR?

Best Stefan

In short: No. :-)

Long answer: It's advisable to make sure that a stereo input signal is centered, otherwise the spatial positioning of MIR will be obscured by the signal-inherent panning. This is especially obvious in case of very wide MIR Icons.

 

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Aug 10 2019 07:19
by stefan_telser
Joined on Wed, Mar 14 2007, Posts 86

Hi Dietz,

Thanks for helping!

I know this is slightly off-topic because I do not intend to add  any Virtual Instruments to the Mix, but maybe the information is useful anyway.

Here is my result (Recording Studio Weiler):

wav-file

MIR Settings

Miracle Settings

Regards
Stefan

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