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Posted on Tue, Aug 13 2019 16:04
by Daniel Stenning
Joined on Fri, Jan 11 2019, UK, Posts 18

I set up a bunch of automation parameters from my Kontakt instrument ( Una Corda ) and saw them appear as names in the Cubase Quick Control list in the inspector. 

However the names of all the paremeters as passed from VEP server to VEP client plugin and onto the VST  host (Cubase ) are extremely long and unreadable. 

It would be very helpful if one could create shorter "alias" names for these parameters so that they become readable and managable in the DAW.

In fact some of this could be made automatable -  for example VEP could optionally generate just the parameter names, stripping off the channel name, plugin name, and even ( with a little bit of simple algorithmic string processing code ) remove the end name section - which in the case of Kontakt is the Kontakt Instrument name.

In any case - seems to me there's a big case for adding ability to rename automation parameters in VEP7.

( unless i've missed something in the manual and its already possibe )

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Posted on Tue, Aug 13 2019 19:48
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1622

First of all, what you depict is just odd for VEP 7.

how it appears here

The beginning of the string "Vienna Ensemble Pro" is a thing of the past.
Here, the Kontakt instrument Thrill is represented in Cubase by "3", the number of the channel; THRILL, the name I gave to the channel; the automation name in Kontakt's Host Auto; & the name of the .nki. This I believe is the minimum communication from VEP to Host as coded. The person to verify this, btw, is Martin Saletag.

Whzt you CAN do in Kontakt is save the .nki as a very short name, and the name of the exposed parameter tends to be brief, eg., "Tine Level", and give the VEP channel a very short name.
So this exposed to Kontakt might be "73/Kontakt/Tine Level - 73".  Or compare my screenshot; to make it shorter I could change my channel name and/or the .nki name, the rest of it is de rigeur.


But again, VEP 7 at this point is revealing to Cubase what it has from the exposed parameters, and my understanding is it cannot be more minimized than this. Yours looks like VEP 6 days, though, I don't understand that unless it's down to an earlier Cubase.

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Posted on Wed, Aug 14 2019 08:57
by Daniel Stenning
Joined on Fri, Jan 11 2019, UK, Posts 18

This is VEP 7   and Cubase 10.30

The Kontakt instrument is Una Corda Piano  ( felt or cotton ) 

In addition I tried to edit the very long parameter string to something shorter in the Cubase inspector - for Smart Controls. BUt for some reason Cubase seems not to remember the rename once i save the cubase project and reopen it.  This is of course a Cubase issue or bug  but just makes it even more important that there's some way in VEP to have custom shorter names - aliases for use in the DAW in order to clearly see which parameter one is automating in the DAW

Posted on Wed, Aug 14 2019 16:05
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1622

Which version of VEP 7?

Really, "Vienna Ense
mble Pro" shouldn't be in there.
Current project here has around 370 para
meters (fr. Kontakt, VI Pro, Synchron Player, BFD3, LABS, Hybrid Reverb, Replika XT, ) and none has that in the string. I don't fully recall the first build of VEP 7, because it had such issues I couldn't use it, but it seems like it that was the first thing I noticed, that the old strings were just gone in favor of the actual exposed name.

I would contact support about this, that's not right. Attn M. Saletag.  Also this is who you want regarding what the string can or cannot be.

I don't have Una Corda, but Kontakt is Kontakt. I just saved an .nki as 'Bow' from '73 Stage Bowed' and while it took closing and reopening the Cubase project, it informs what the string is now. "4/73Bow/Kontakt5/Gliss Time/Bow".
I can deter
mine '73Bow' (channel name) and 'Bow'  here.

The exception is midi, where the string starts with "VE Pro plugin/midi in_"

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Posted on Wed, Aug 14 2019 16:22
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1622

Originally Posted by: Daniel Stenning Go to Quoted Post

[...] important that there's some way in VEP to have custom shorter names - aliases for use in the DAW in order to clearly see which parameter one is automating in the DAW


I'm indicating to you that shorter names is already how it is. I have no idea why it isn't for you but this is a key feature of VEP 7. For Kontakt the string is channel number/channel name/Kontakt[]/parameter - nki name.

EG: Giant/Kontakt/Reso vol/The Giant. I can make the first and last as short as 'G'.

this is how it is in the automation map and in Cubase.

link to screenshot, new window:

string name, actual

 

Contact Martin Saletag. Ask him about custom string names.

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Posted on Wed, Aug 14 2019 16:35
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1622

I would have to constantly refer to the automation map for the number of the parameter and try to make the parameter in Kontakt match or resemble it in order to rely on memory instead, if I could (itself unwieldy) because what Cubase had was really down to that in the end. Now that problem is gone. 

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Posted on Sat, Aug 17 2019 07:15
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1724

I've tried to make the presented parameter name as short as possible, while still keeping all information required to identify which plugin/parameter it controls.

If you have any ideas on how to improve this, I'd be happy to hear it!

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Sun, Aug 18 2019 23:59
by Daniel Stenning
Joined on Fri, Jan 11 2019, UK, Posts 18

 

Is it not possible to just add the for an "alias" name that us users can optionally just set ourselves?

Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 08:21
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Liechtenstein, Posts 1724

Originally Posted by: Daniel Stenning Go to Quoted Post

Is it not possible to just add the for an "alias" name that us users can optionally just set ourselves?

I think that could be reasonable. I'm just wondering how many would actually use such a feature?

--
Martin Saleteg
Software Developer
Vienna Symphonic Library GmbH
Posted on Mon, Aug 19 2019 15:17
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1622

I would, for one or two things. What BFD3 exposes to VE Pro is a single automap; which I edited to get objective names so that I don't have their hardwired eg., 'high tom 2' where in fact I put a cymbal there, so after a point it's all ''BFD3 ch(05) gain" etc and every preset may be different. I'm not going to edit their [xml] map over and over again, it's tedious.

Short of the user-determined name, I think you could lose "Vienna" in the string 'Vienna Synchron Player"; cf., "Kontakt" is just "Kontakt", not "Native Instruments Kontakt"

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