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Everybody wants to be a 1st violin
Last post Thu, Oct 17 2019 by Pieman1560, 8 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 05:35
by Rangi
Joined on Fri, Feb 26 2010, Posts 96

Hi all - I've got a probelem...

I'm running a Sibelius/Dimension strings/ VI pro /VE orchestra arrangement. Every instrument in the arrangment is a VSL instrument, and 99% of it is working perfectly.

But my 2nd violins keep leaping on to the 1st violin instrument in VI. It happens with every accented note. A phrase will be playing fine  and then as soon as an accent occurs it flips to the 1sts. Which is really weird bcause 1st violins are midi channel 1, and 2nds are midi channel 2. So why would it do that?

I've read the optimising doc about 40 times, and most of it is now memorised. I've checked and replaced instruments in Sibelius, the manual sound sets are all correct, I'm using the right presets in VI. I've also just created a new test file with just a few notes in it, and the same thing happens, so it's not something hanging or hidden in the main sibelius file.  In short I've run out of things to try.

I did see some discussion of similar problems in old threads where the same instrument is used twice (ie dimension violins are the preset for both 1st and 2nd's), but the cause and soultion werre not conclusive that I could see.

Does anyone have any ideas please?

Barton.

Posted on Wed, Oct 09 2019 23:19
by Rangi
Joined on Fri, Feb 26 2010, Posts 96

Is anybody out there.......

Posted on Thu, Oct 10 2019 06:41
by javajam
Joined on Sun, Mar 13 2005, Paris, France, Posts 150
You just can't use the same instrument twice at the same time, if I understand what you did and if it's what you did (?)
Same sample played twice will provide phase issue.
Posted on Fri, Oct 11 2019 10:37
by Rangi
Joined on Fri, Feb 26 2010, Posts 96
If that’s correct, then how do you create a second violin part using dimension strings, given there is only one dedicated violin preset?
Posted on Sun, Oct 13 2019 10:41
by stephen limbaugh
Joined on Tue, Feb 23 2016, Los Angeles, Posts 212
Google the “transposition trick”
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Posted on Sun, Oct 13 2019 22:12
by Rangi
Joined on Fri, Feb 26 2010, Posts 96

I've seen that, but it doesn't seem reasonable to me that I would need to do it. It's a lot of messing around to create something that seems obvious, ie that that an orchestral library will be able to play 1st and 2nd violins at once. Its kind of basic functionality, so surely theres a better answer tuning a sample down and a track up?

Posted on Thu, Oct 17 2019 05:00
by Rangi
Joined on Fri, Feb 26 2010, Posts 96

FYI - I've talked with Andi (VSL), and it should work, I should be able to play two violin sections at once, the problem must still be in my file somehwer.

Cheers,

Barton.

Posted on Thu, Oct 17 2019 15:22
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 51

Hi Rangi

I've had this issue too, and it was a bit of a head scratcher to work out!

when i have this issue, its when ive started a new score with one instrument, then during the writting of the piece ive decided to change the instruments, so for example, i started the piece with Orchestral strings, but changed to Chamber strings as they better represented the sound i was after.

if this is the situation your in, try the following.

add a new stave in Sibelius with the violin 2 section of Dimension Strings ( this is the one you want to work properly)

double check your Ensamble setup, your playback configiration AND the Sibelius mixer to make sure that this NEW instrument is using the correct midi channel etc.

Write ANYTHING in the new instrument stave. (i just do a couple of bars with articulation changes so you can check its changing articulations as needed)

i select ONLY this stave by clicking it so it turns blue (this mutes everything else so you only hear that instrument.

i then play the score and check that everything is ok.

If it is, double click the non working violin 2 stave, so that the blue selector highlights the entire stave from start of the piece till the end

Then in the ribon, click 'home' then in the selection section, click 'System Passage'

you entire stave should now turn purple, now copy this purple selection and paste it into the new stave you created and tested earlier. (the system selection option will copy all your system text data, onto this new stave so you dont have to input it again)

now click this stave again until it turns blue, and play the score and check that the playback is working as expected.

if it is...BOOM...delete the old corrupted stave and everything is good to go.

If its not.....the bad news!....ive only ever been able to rectify this by either copying everything to a brand new score, or inputtin everything in by hand again into the new score as the copy/paste function didnt fix it...although thats only ever happened to me once! thank god!

i don't know what version your on, or what OS, but for me on Mac High Sierra and Sibelius Ultimate 2019.9 its a fix. Its not an issue with VSL as far as i can tell, rather a bug in Sibelius if you change instruments alot as your writing your piece

When you read this post you may think its a massive balls ache to do...but in reality its really rather quick and simpIe once you get your head round it! and I really hope this helps mate.

Kindest Regards

Paul

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