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Last post Tue, Oct 15 2019 by Grodhisatva, 34 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 11:09
by Martin
Joined on Fri, Aug 23 2002, Wien, Posts 496

Our beautiful solo woodwind instruments are now available with the Vienna Synchron Player, enhanced, optimized, re-edited with a gorgeous out-of-the-box sound! Listen to the demos and watch the videos!
https://www.vsl.co.at/Synchronized_Woodwinds

What's more, we have a few Synchron Libraries on sale, check them out here!

Best wishes, Martin

Martin Tichy
Marketing Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 12:19
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 120

Hi

I don't understand. Does it mean that there won't be a Synchron Woodwinds I library ?

Best,

David

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 12:23
by Martin
Joined on Fri, Aug 23 2002, Wien, Posts 496

The instruments in SYNCHRON-ized Woodwinds are based on the solo woodwind instruments in Woodwinds I, on most of the instruments in Woodwinds II as well as on the single instruments Clarinet in Bb 2 and Bassoon 2.

There is currently no prediction if a Synchron Woodwinds collection is happening anytime soon.

Martin Tichy
Marketing Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 13:54
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 120

Thanks for your reply. I know that the SYNCHRON-ized libraries are based on the VI Series but what I meant is that I don't understand why you waste your time synchronizing libraries that already exist and that work with a great player (VI/VI Pro) instead of creating new libraries. And I say that with great respect for you because I think VSL has created amazing software and libraries over the years. But I really don't understand where the Synchron Series is going.

Best,

David

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 14:16
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 481

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

... But I really don't understand where the Synchron Series is going.

Hi David,

I understand what you mean. There is no question that the basic sound of the WW-Libs is superb, But where is the benefit for VI users? There are quite some Samples left behind. There is no Time Stretching available. And f.ex. one of the big attractions for the second clarinet were the effects which are not included now. It's a little confusing ...

However ...

Hi Martin, is it possible to check the benefit out via a Demo License? 24 hours are enough ;) Thank you!

(Hope you continue with the "real" SY-Series soon. Most important SY-BRASS)


 
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Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 15:07
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 205

I don't understand it, either. Because it was said that there were no plans in SYNCHRON-izing the bigger collections.

BUT I really like the conistency: having nearly all legatos with a non vibrato and vibrato option is great. Also the overall re-editing sounds (I mean reads) good, because I don't like the Synchron Player.

The only thing – again – is that the Synchon Player doesn't have the “Interval map” option. Please, VSL, do it, and this library is going to be an instant buy!

Also, it would be great if the VI users could benefit from the re-edited samples, too. Like you did with Dimension Strings. I would pay for it!

Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 15:07
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 139

Martin, are there new samples included compared to the VI packages to realize the legato vibrato variations, or are these just the different sustains with the same transitions?

Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 15:58
by Martin
Joined on Fri, Aug 23 2002, Wien, Posts 496

The new library includes new transition samples the perfectly match the corresponding notes before and after the transitions. Our team worked intensely on creating perfect and authentically sounding transitions in all velocity layers, for all legatos, with non-vibrato and vibrato articulations, as well as regular and fast variants—all these match perfectly so it’s easier and quicker to create authentic legato phrases without the need to tweak these transitions manually.

What's more, there are additional velocity layers for legatos and fast legatos.

Regarding a trial: Feel free to purchase and try it out, you may return the product within 30 days if you don’t like it.

Martin Tichy
Marketing Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 16:40
by msanioura
Joined on Wed, Aug 03 2016, Posts 19
Hi Martin,
There are no synchronized version of Alto flute, Clarinet in Eb, and ensemble versions from woodwinds 1, why?

And what about Special woodwinds? Completely skipped, is it coming soon?

Thank you.. appreciate a reply that helps me make a purchase decision.
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 17:26
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 481

Hi Martin,

you are right with the 30 days rule ... I forgot it ...

I will buy this Lib. tonight.

Best,
Lars
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Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 17:27
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 481
Oh ... what about Time stretching? Are there plans for the Synchronized products?
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Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 18:07
by Martin
Joined on Fri, Aug 23 2002, Wien, Posts 496

Think of SYNCRHON-ized Woodwinds as a streamlined product that reflects the instrumentation of late romanticism (Wagner et al.). Yes, it doesn’t offer some instruments and articulations that are available with VI Woodwinds, and that’s not an omission, that's the concept of this product. That’s one reason why it’s so easy to work with. Our specialized team is working on one instrument for about a month… do the math how long it takes to create such a product, and then think of the costs. We need to find a balance between what we can achieve at a reasonable price and what most of our users want. If you want more instruments and articulations and the flexibility of VI Woodwinds, you’re a specialist (highly valued by us!) whom we’re happy to continue to serve with our Vienna Instruments Pro player. On the other hand, a lot of customers are paying for a product that includes instruments and articulations they never use.

Having said that, I’m certainly not going to rule out that there will never be any other woodwinds and articulations in the SYNCHRON-ized series. Right now, SYNCHRON-ized Woodwinds is a great solution in terms of instruments, articulations, what people are using, and how easy it is to work with this player and its pre-configured sound with lots of presets.

And of course we’re further developing the Vienna Synchron Player to add more features over time.

Martin Tichy
Marketing Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 19:53
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 120

Originally Posted by: Martin Go to Quoted Post

Yes, it doesn’t offer some instruments and articulations that are available with VI Woodwinds, and that’s not an omission, that's the concept of this product. That’s one reason why it’s so easy to work with.

I understand that. But why didn't you record woodwinds at the Synchron Stage like you did with Synchron Strings I ? I own the Woodwinds Complete Bundle from the VI Series and a new library recorded at the Synchron Stage with new samples would have been much more exciting for me than a SYNCHRON-ized library.

Best,

David

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 21:29
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 205

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post
I understand that. But why didn't you record woodwinds at the Synchron Stage like you did with Synchron Strings I

I think they already did. Maybe it's not that easy with wet samples. Just guessing...

The first time I watched the very first video of Synchron Percussion it was clear to me that all instruments had been recorded. At least, it sounded like that. And the seating graphic on the product page also showed the other instrument sections (and this graphic was the very first of the Synchron Series).

Posted on Tue, Oct 08 2019 21:37
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 205

I have another question:
Why do you have marcato longs, but not marcato legatos? The VI instruments do have these in the full libraries. Or, at least, a "fake" marcato attack as in the SYNCHRON-ized special editions.

By the way, I just purchased it and like it so far. The non-vibrato/vibrato options are great. But I need my “Interval Map” as a controller option.  

Posted on Wed, Oct 09 2019 05:18
by Grodhisatva
Joined on Wed, Oct 09 2013, Posts 48

HOLD IT, Hold It, hold it....

Time Out. 

Of all the patches NOT to include... in a reprogrammed WINDS LIBRARY--

You leave out the scale runs!?!?!? That's like... the best part of the classic VSL Winds Library! That's the hardest thing to program when it comes to winds. But that's what you guys had over everyone else! Whenever I visit with other film composers at their studios and we talk libraries, everyone says they keep VSL Winds around for the runs!  

I'm not trying to dump on you guys here but... this company has been taking really odd steps with it's library side. The software is amazing though so I suppose you can afford to since everyone depends on VEP, but boy when those super cheese grater macs come out and people start debating if they want to run sample farms, you're going to have think long and hard about your libraries. Who is this stuff for!? I just don't get it clearly. 

Posted on Wed, Oct 09 2019 06:05
by holywilly
Joined on Mon, Jul 08 2013, Posts 57

Please, the Alto Flute is missing, this instrument is essential, please include this in the future update.

Posted on Wed, Oct 09 2019 07:25
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 481

Originally Posted by: Grodhisatva Go to Quoted Post

HOLD IT, Hold It, hold it....

Time Out. 

Of all the patches NOT to include... in a reprogrammed WINDS LIBRARY--

You leave out the scale runs!?!?!? 

Hi, I do not think that's too critical for all the WW-Solo-Istruments. There are good possibilities to "play" runs and trills (especially with the flute1 and all clarinets).
Dynamic Scale-Runs are more difficult to "play" when it comes to Ensembles. Here I agree that the runs of the Orchestral Strings are just "Gold"!

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Posted on Wed, Oct 09 2019 08:10
by ZWaves
Joined on Mon, Dec 18 2017, Los Angeles, Ca, Posts 51

Thank you very much for the new Woodwinds Library! I would like to vote a +1 for the Alto Flute please! I have it as a VI Instrument, but would love to see it join the new collection!

Kind Regards,

-ZWaves

Special Edition Complete, SYNCHRON-ized SE Bundle, Single Instruments
Vienna Ensemble Pro, VI Pro 2, MIR Pro, MIRx Bundle
Cubase Pro, Logic Pro X, Pro Tools, Sibelius, Notion
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Posted on Wed, Oct 09 2019 11:30
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 120

Originally Posted by: LAJ Go to Quoted Post

(Hope you continue with the "real" SY-Series soon. Most important SY-BRASS)


 

Hi

Do not hope too much. It will probably be a SYNCHRON-ized Brass library. I wish they had stayed with the VI Series and the Silent Stage. It was perfect.

Best,

David

iMac 21.5, i7 4770S, 3,1 Ghz, 16 GB RAM
Komplete Kontrol S-88, Steinberg UR44
Logic Pro X, Finale 25
VI Super Package, Synchron Package, Vienna Software Package
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