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Synchron SE 1 Phase issue
Last post Sat, Mar 14 2020 by Paul, 6 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Dec 04 2019 12:38
by herrmann
Joined on Wed, Oct 21 2009, Posts 21

Hi

I have some annoying phasing effect between VL1 and VL2 when playing the same notes. Are they based on the same samples ? 

Thanks

Posted on Thu, Dec 05 2019 13:32
by snakem
Joined on Mon, Mar 19 2018, Posts 6

+1. Same here.

Posted on Thu, Dec 05 2019 14:01
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12045

Hi, 

I assume you are referring to the Orchestral Strings Violins .

Yes, those are based on the same samples. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Dec 05 2019 18:38
by snakem
Joined on Mon, Mar 19 2018, Posts 6

Hi,

not sure what library the OP refers to, on my side it concerns the 1st and 2nd violins from the SYNCHROnized Special Edition, namely "1st Violins 14_beta18" and "2nd Violins 14_beta18". I would not be that surprised if they use the same samples, as the (non-synchronized) Special Edition does not have explicit 1st and 2nd violins in Orchestral Strings at all. So for me it looks as if the synchronized presets just differ in the synchron stage 1st/2nd violins IRs they use. The only point is, if I have explicit 1st and 2nd selectable I would assume they are meant to be used together ;-)

Best regards

Posted on Fri, Mar 13 2020 18:37
by lunar_28664
Joined on Wed, Jun 20 2007, Posts 81

I'm trying out the Synchron SE just now and have exactly the same issue with a very unpleasant phasing at times if vln 1 and 2 are in unison. Same passages work fine with VI Pro. In fact the phasing can also be heard on occasion just with a single violin playing sustained notes (sustained patch is the worst but legato is not immune). Violins are the most obvious but on occasion similar effects can be heard with other sections as well. If there isn't a good workaround for this, I probably won't be able to make the upgrade despite the fine accoustic and the odd improvement elsewhere.

PS I suppose one workaround for unison doublings is simply to set the second part to play silent (talking about Dorico here) but keeping it in the score. I'll need to keep testing but further input would be welcomed!

Posted on Sat, Mar 14 2020 09:31
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12045

Hi, 

Yes, those samples are the same, but were mixed with different umpulses and mixer presets.  

So sending the same MIDI information can result in phasing... the different section sizes available with the SYNCHRON-ized Special Editions (Appassionata, Orchestral, Chamber, Dimension) will give you more options. 

Best, 

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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