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Last post Fri, Apr 24 2020 by Dewdman42, 10 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Dec 23 2019 14:10
by mmueller
Joined on Mon, Sep 28 2009, Posts 120

As far as I recall it was somewhere mentioned that support for VST3 plugins would come to VEPRO.

When will will this happen? 

Posted on Fri, Dec 27 2019 11:31
by Monika
Joined on Sat, Oct 31 2009, Posts 1

I wonder that too. Disappointing that VSL refuses to fix this and clearly communicate about it.

Posted on Fri, Dec 27 2019 18:59
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12232

Hi, 

Thanks for the reminder. I know that VST3 is still not implemented, and it is still high on the list.

I hope that we can provide this feature soon. Unfortunately I cannot offer an ETA, but I will give this another push. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jan 12 2020 13:18
by RogerB
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2019, Posts 3

Good to hear @Paul. Some vendors start to implement new features in VST3 only.

As I'm a new VEP user I searched the description of VEP and found that VST3 is supported. I didn't get though it was meant for the VSL plugins in DAWs only atm.

Posted on Wed, Apr 22 2020 10:30
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 753

Paul, just a reminder to see if the work is progressing. I've a VST3-only plugin that would like to use with VEPRO7 on my Mac, and would be very happy to see this happen.

This plugin is supposed to support microtuning from Dorico and other VST3 plugins. Oh, how would it be wonderful if it could "stay in tune" with the VI and Synchron players…

Paolo

Posted on Wed, Apr 22 2020 17:49
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 591
In the meantime I think you can consider using bluecataudio patchworks inside vepro. Patchworks can host vst3 plug-ins. Plogue bidule can also. The only free solution I know of is image line mini modular which I think also can. Kushview Element might also buy I found it to be buggy and overly complicated.

As long as you aren’t needing vst3 specific protocols to happen between your daw and the plugin, those solutions will work. Patchworks and plogue bidule are both handy tools to have. I have personally found plogue bidule to be more useful but unfortunately there have sometimes been stability issues with it inside vepro.

Both of these solutions are using vst2 methods to communicate with vepro so if the daw needs to be able to send vst3 specific messages to the plugin for the micro tuning feature to work then it might not help you. I doubt that’s the case but just mentioning it. I’d try image lines free solution first then if that doesn’t work try the patchworks demo.
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Posted on Wed, Apr 22 2020 19:40
by toodamnhip
Joined on Sat, Jun 09 2012, Posts 76

Is this only a VST 3 problem? I thought my VST plugs were working before in 6 on my trash can. Now some VSTs are failing scan. I found what seems to be a "track" Many of the "failed" AUs and VSTs were in a folder called "Unknown". By right clicking each plug in, I was able to successfully scan many of the failed VSTS and even some failed AUs. The VSTs that still failed are: Hand Clapper/Slate SSD5/CSR Hall/Kontakt 3/Melodyne/Ozone 3/PhilharmonikCE/Sample Tank2/Sonar Works/TH1/Trash/iZotope Alloy/RX3/. Please advise

OS 10.10.3 DP 9.0
Posted on Wed, Apr 22 2020 21:10
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 591

Originally Posted by: PaoloT Go to Quoted Post

This plugin is supposed to support microtuning from Dorico and other VST3 plugins. Oh, how would it be wonderful if it could "stay in tune" with the VI and Synchron players…

Try this free subhoster (Kushview Element).  I just tested it inside VePro7 and using a VST3 plug inside that; nd it seems to work.  its free.

https://kushview.net

I have also tested BlueCatAudio Patchworks, which crashed the VST version but worked ok so far with AU version.  When it crashed, it caused Cubase to crash too!  That's bad, hope VSL is taking notes.  

I also tested PlogueBidule, which causes VePro and Cubase to crash once, but worked once too.  Not sure what happened there.

I also tested DDFM MetaPlugin, which also seemed to work.

The last three products listed above, are not free.  Image-line MiniModular is the other free one, but it doesn't support VST3 hosting and hasn't been updated in like 5 years.

I do not know why some of these plugins seem to crash VePro so badly, and even cause the DAW to crash along with them.

VST3 in General

It will be an improvement when VePro can host VST3.  Me personally I am avoiding using VST3 plugins as much as possible due to poorly designed midi implementaiton of VST3.  In almost all cases, the VST2 version of a given plugin will work better.  In fact I have removed all the VST3 versions of my plugins off the system to avoid them completely, with the exception of only one, Vienna Ensemble Pro.vst3.  The reason is because that supports 768 midi channels into VePro.  So that is definitely worth using on Cubase.  Also some Steinberg plugins came with Cubase are only in VST3 format, so I'm stuck using them.  Otherwise, its VST2 all the way for me.

That being said, Steinberg has changed the licensing rules on their SDK for VST plugins.  New developers are now unable to legally distribute VST2 plugins unless they were grand-fathered into the old VST licensing with a signed agreement.  Older developers mostly have that license agreement and can continue to distribute VST2 plugins, but newer developers do not have a legal option to develop and distribute VST2, they must use VST3, even with the midi limitaitons that Steinberg imposed into the new SDK and is very stubborn on the issue as well I might add.  

In any case, for that reason, in the future we may see more plugins come out that are VST3 only, due to the licensing changes.  Its a good idea for VePro to get with the times and support VST3 for that reason, but I also realize that VST3 hosting is a bit convoluted at this time due to some of the midi problems already mentioned.

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Posted on Fri, Apr 24 2020 13:52
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 753

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

Try this free subhoster

Thank you for these hints. I admit that, however, in general, I prefer to work with stable and officially supported software. This is not for lack of will of experimenting, but for lack of time. I know it is time for me to compose, instead of configuring my software. We live in apocalyptic times, and I would like to focus on the essential things.

The willingness of Steinberg to live in the closed garden of their VST is being a problems for many users. I'm not using PCs, so I could ignore it, wasn't it for Dorico. Can I replace Dorico with another notation program? Not really, since it is finally a notation program that is thinking in a way similar to mine.

At the moment, for the first time after a long search, I have all the software I want – notably, Logic, Dorico, VSL, Spitfire, conTimbre, Xsample, Ircam, other specialized sounds libraries. I don't need much other. If only they could communicate between them…

Paolo

Posted on Fri, Apr 24 2020 19:10
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 591

another advantage of these sub hosters is they can host AU's inside Cubase and Dorico.

Anyway I hear you....

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