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Last post Thu, Dec 26 2019 by martin27, 5 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Dec 24 2019 18:43
by martin27
Joined on Mon, Jan 04 2010, Posts 38

(this thread has been posted also on Steinberg forums)

Hi to all

My existing system is based on I7 8700k with 6 ssd's and 2 M2. An overall good system which gives me the ability to reach up to 30 tracks at 128 samples latency (Rme ff802at 48khz - cubase 10.5 pro - win10 pro) without any issues. If I load more than 30 tracks (all Vsl, Kontakt, Ewql, toontrack sd3 ets), I need to increase the buffer at 256 or freeze tracks. 

the problem is that I don't like to freeze tracks to save resources. I prefer to go till final mix with midi tracks so I can make changes whenever like to, and of course latency is pin in the .... :)  

So I need more processing power.

Finally I collected my budget (around 1500 euros) and after some days of research I have come down to 2 alternatives.

1st choice

Keep my existing pc and use it as a server loading there all my vst's through VIENNA ENSEMBLE PRO 7 and building a second i9-9900k for my Daw.

2nd Choice

Sell my existing cpu/mobo bundle and build an amd ryzen 9 3950x  based system with all existing ssd's.

 

results I want to achieve is simple. to work with around 80 tracks at 128 samples max with 0 issues. 

I know that the secure way is the first choice but the power of Amd intrigues me. But, I am not that expert and I can't predict which alternative will work better for my needs. 

 

So please, I would appreciate your opinion especially from whom have experience with similar workflow and pc's and general knowledge on Pc things. 

Thank you and sorry for my bad English   

Posted on Wed, Dec 25 2019 14:54
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 131

Hi Martin,

I'm not an expert on the subject by any means, so what follows is a bit of speculation.

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results I want to achieve is simple. to work with around 80 tracks at 128 samples max with 0 issues.

Who doesn't want that, hehe. This is a pretty ambitious goal, I'd say, whatever choice you make in the end. And the problem is the 128 samples plus 0 issues combination, not the CPU power or anything else. The average performance will certainly improve with a newer PC, but the *worst*-case situation could stay. Audio performance is a function of many variables, and I therefore refrain from a direct advice.

I'd personally consider economic reasons above all else. You do have VE Pro, and you do a working set-up, and you have enough money for a reasonable new PC that you could upgrade memory-wise etc. as the time goes by. You'd also retain a working one-machine set-up, which is nice in my opinion, given all the hassles of a new PC. 

You can look at the LatencyMon measurements of my AMD 3900X here.

Merry Christmas,

Crusoe.

Posted on Wed, Dec 25 2019 19:09
by martin27
Joined on Mon, Jan 04 2010, Posts 38

Thanks Crusoe and Merry Christmas!

your Latency Numbers are much lower than mines. this is taking me one step closer to amd alternative though I beleive is better to have 2 pc's instead of one powerfull because you split the duties on reading samples for server and dedicating pc for audio processing. 

would wait for some other opinions here.

Posted on Thu, Dec 26 2019 12:41
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 687

Hi Martin,

I think your system looks solid enough. I have an i5 8600k and could get a lot more out of it by disabling all Windows energy saving options as well as diabling C-state and other power saving options in the BIOS. If you have not done this yet I recommend to try this first. It will give you more performance for the cost of a little more energy consumption. Also overclocking my RAM increased performance significantly (from 2333 to 2800). So faster RAM or overclocking it may help you too.
My last upgrade was adding NVMe SSDs and putting all multi-mic instruments on it (SY Pianos, Strings, Percussions). This increased performance drastically when using these instruments.

Best, Ben

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Dec 26 2019 21:35
by martin27
Joined on Mon, Jan 04 2010, Posts 38
Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post
Hi Martin,
I think your system looks solid enough. I have an i5 8600k and could get a lot more out of it by disabling all Windows energy saving options as well as diabling C-state and other power saving options in the BIOS. If you have not done this yet I recommend to try this first. It will give you more performance for the cost of a little more energy consumption. Also overclocking my RAM increased performance significantly (from 2333 to 2800). So faster RAM or overclocking it may help you too.My last upgrade was adding NVMe SSDs and putting all multi-mic instruments on it (SY Pianos, Strings, Percussions). This increased performance drastically when using these instruments.
Best, Ben


Thanks Ben for reply.
Is there any tutorial out there to suggest me as i am not familiar with bios tweaking
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