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Last post Fri, Sep 18 2020 by garyeskow, 8 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Feb 12 2020 20:29
by garyeskow
Joined on Thu, May 11 2006, Woodstock, NY, Posts 63

For all the success I've had, and joy I've gotten out of using these libraries, I've finally comes across an issue that I can't solve-even though it seems like it should be simple!!!

Trying to create a white key (C major) glissando using Harp I preset level 2. This gliss should take place across two bars at the tempo of 63 bpm. None of the glisses I play using C#7 as the trigger note cover this amount of time, and overlaying one on top of another, the second as the first fades out, sounds corny and unconvincing. Has anyone had success making this sound realistic?

Thank you!

Gary

Posted on Thu, Feb 13 2020 14:33
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5640

When there is a harp glissando that is not covered by the sampled ones, you can time stretch it - something I never tried - or  program the individual notes without too much difficulty.  When I've done that I doubled the notes that would be enharmonics given the pedal settings of the harp, and that makes it sound very natural, especially if you use some humanize in the timing and velocity.   This is also how you would program a glissando in an unusual (but possible for harp) scale.  

Posted on Thu, Feb 13 2020 16:27
by garyeskow
Joined on Thu, May 11 2006, Woodstock, NY, Posts 63

Interesting, thanks!!!

Posted on Thu, Feb 13 2020 16:49
by Guy Bacos
Joined on Sun, Jan 16 2005, Quebec, Canada, Posts 1995

I never tried the time stretch for this, interesting. Another option, and the most common I use in these cases, is simply to to play a gliss on your keyboard from the starting to end note, practice a few times timing it, and then add the appropriate accidentals in the piano roll. I also repeat some notes to make it more realistic.

Posted on Thu, Feb 13 2020 17:12
by garyeskow
Joined on Thu, May 11 2006, Woodstock, NY, Posts 63

Thanks, Guy!

Posted on Thu, Sep 17 2020 12:29
by garyeskow
Joined on Thu, May 11 2006, Woodstock, NY, Posts 63

Shouldn't it be possible for VSL or a third party to create a plug-in that would transpose each of the seven white keys in each octave either up or down a semi-tone? That would allow us to play glissandi just as we want them in real time. Please advise!!!!

Posted on Fri, Sep 18 2020 22:14
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 439

Concerning creating a glissando for harp with the right notes:

In Dorico it is possible to create glissandi in harp music, that use exactly the notes as will be played on a harp.
First you have to create a harp player in a project.
Then you have to set the pedals in the right position in the staves.
Now you can write a glissando sign between 2 notes (can be up or down). 
When playing this fragment you hear the right tones (also the doublings if present).
After this it is possible to export the just written music to a midi file.

You have to go some steps of course, but it is possible.
And when you compose in Dorico it is a great tool!

Posted on Fri, Sep 18 2020 23:46
by garyeskow
Joined on Thu, May 11 2006, Woodstock, NY, Posts 63

Thanks for this response. I know of Dorico's capability in this area. I prefer to work in Cubase, and hope that Steinberg augments their MIDI input transformer to include harp pedaling emulation.

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