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REAL-TIME TIME-STRETCHING for Synchron Player
Last post Sat, Mar 14 2020 by MMKA, 10 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 11:38
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12126

Hello everybody, 

We just uploaded a brand-new version of our Synchron Player, as always with bug-fixes, but most importantly: 

Time-Stretching is now available for ALL instruments you can load in your Synchron Player: Synchron Series, SY-ized Special Editions, Smart products and of course the Big Bang Orchestra Series. 

Learn more in our online Synchron Player Manual and in the video walkthroughs - barely touching the surface there, and just in time for the Big Bang Orchestra: Capricorn with its incredible symphonic riffs/loops!

Features at a glance: 

  • Real-time rendering and adaptation (yes, tempo-ramps are possible)
  • Originally recorded tempo is detected wherever possible
  • Synchronize your runs, repetitions and loops with one click
  • Adjust the duration of your short notes and dynamics
  • Great sounddesign possibilities (don't forget the built-in FX plug-ins!!)

Library Updates for your Big Bang Orchestra Series are also available, with Timestretching Presets!

Enjoy!!

Your VSL Team

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 12:29
by LAJ
Joined on Sun, Dec 13 2009, Posts 518

Hi Paul,

I remember when the Synchron FX Strings came out some people were joking when you mentioned in the Promovideo that the possibilities are "endless". 

From now on no one will even think about seeing a joke in that ... This Feature changes the Game totally!!

WOW!!

Big Smile and a BIG thank you to the crew!

Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 13:22
by dane
Joined on Mon, Oct 13 2008, Posts 16

Wow..this is a game changer for the player :-) Congrats!

Just another question, I'm getting maximal 156mb/s reading speeds within the player (latest update), but I'm running libraries from a RAID0 3x SSDs via Thunderbolt 2 connected to Mac Pro 2013. Usually reading speed goes over 1000mb/s with blackmagic's disk test. I've also tried on another NVME SSD disk via USB3 and I always get max around 150mb/s.

 

Thanks,
Dan

Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 13:39
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 769

Hi Dan,

It may be that the drives were doing other things during speed test, so the result is not correct.
You can change the preload size manually and if there are no drop-outs everything is fine.

Best, Ben

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 18:08
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 371

Great!!

And just for fun: do I hear an announcement in the first tone of the video of Paul about timestretching???
A... solo...violin...??

Posted on Fri, Mar 06 2020 19:00
by MS
Joined on Wed, Feb 19 2003, Vienna, Austria, Posts 1749

Originally Posted by: dane Go to Quoted Post

Just another question, I'm getting maximal 156mb/s reading speeds within the player (latest update), but I'm running libraries from a RAID0 3x SSDs via Thunderbolt 2 connected to Mac Pro 2013. Usually reading speed goes over 1000mb/s with blackmagic's disk test. I've also tried on another NVME SSD disk via USB3 and I always get max around 150mb/s.

The built-in disk speed testing uses a single-thread random access pattern at 64kB and 4kB block sizes. This will produce a speed FAR lower than a sequential disk speed test will do, but is more accurate in determining the drive's capability for sample streaming.

I'm using an Optane drive for sample streaming myself, which will give ~1000MB/s for 64k block sizes. This is pretty much as fast as you can get.

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Posted on Sat, Mar 07 2020 17:04
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7423

FWIW: I get around 630 MB/s from my quite mundane Samsung EVO 830 and 850 devices (both SATA and eSATA).

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Mar 09 2020 12:15
by dane
Joined on Mon, Oct 13 2008, Posts 16

Thanks for replying. I understand that built-in speed test might show lower speeds, but this is quite low in my case. Even on internal apple SSD system drive (APFS) I get 123MB/s. And drives are not in use during testing the speed. The other drives are MacOS Extended Journaled and I'm on High Sierra.

As long I can manually set up preload size and this doesn't effect playability or loading time, I'm ok with it.

Thanks!

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Posted on Sat, Mar 14 2020 17:47
by garylionelli
Joined on Wed, Jul 09 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 382

Paul - I kow you said Synchron Player time-stretching is not recommended right now for legato presets, but I did try it anyway with Synchron Strings and allows us to vary the speed of the legato transitions. It makes the library so much more useful, customizable, and therefore expressive. Here's hoping you find a way to get this to work in the legato presets.

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Posted on Sat, Mar 14 2020 22:31
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 371
I agree very much with Garylionelli. I'm experimenting with the time-stretch tool in the SYNCHRON-ized Chamber Strings. And I experience the same. I can get a smoother flow in a rather slow melody. And to my own surprise I don't feel a need to add some solo strings or dimensions strings players to the chamber strings to avoid a kind of "one instrument" feeling, where the instrument is built up with six violins. (Sorry for the perhaps little strange explanation, but I don't know how to explain this in another way... I hope you understand it.)For shorter staccato's and a more expressive trill it works fine.I'm glad that everytime your team improves the software! It's a pleasure to work with it and experiment.
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