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What are "Repetition" patches for?
Last post Sun, Mar 29 2020 by plowman, 12 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Mar 23 2020 09:41
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 161

Back to Vienna while locke at home, I spend some time to learn more about it.
How to use "Repetition" patches — even the "Performance" ones — at their best?

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Mon, Mar 23 2020 09:55
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hi Fabio, 

A good opportunity to explore. 

Performance Repetitions are repated notes that we recorded in a row (5 repetitions for slow/legato repetitions, 9 repetions for faster portato/staccato repetitions). 

We have sliced them up, and now you can play those repetitions manually, with the correct transition sound. 

Here is a video about performance repetitions in the VI Pro Sample Player (now available with single licenses at 55 EUR).

I also looked at your registrations and have 2 suggestions for you: 

1) Get the FREE Big Bang Orchestra and check out our Synchron Player Software! BBO Videos available here!

2) If you like the player, you could crossgrade to the SYNCHRON-ized versions of your Special Editions, one by one.

Any questions: Please let me know!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Mar 23 2020 11:45
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 161

Thank you for your reply, Paul.

Synchronized-SE, VIPro etc. … Such a tempting scheme, indeed.
I was lloking into Synchronized-SE at the time of their launch, then I went involved in rock band live performing for the last two years — less Sibelius, more Stones.

When all this trouble will pass, hope to able to visit Vienna and VSL HQ.

Take care.

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Mon, Mar 23 2020 11:56
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hi Fabio, 

You're welcome!
Always good to be flexible in this wide field of music!

Stay safe!

Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 25 2020 17:06
by Masi
Joined on Sat, May 11 2013, Posts 29

Originally Posted by: Fabio Biolcati Go to Quoted Post
When all this trouble will pass, hope to able to visit Vienna and VSL HQ.

Guided tours to the real Synchron Stage would be awesome.

Masi

Posted on Wed, Mar 25 2020 17:57
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 767

Hi Masi,

we uploaded one to our YouTube channel just a few days ago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNlT3KPCf6o

Best, Ben

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 26 2020 04:04
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 585

I have some questions about the Repititions Control.  

  1. Do most all VI instruments have repititions recorded and available or only certain ones?

  2. I see that repititions increase in volume with each repitition(based on tutorial video).  Is that the only option, always increasing volume while advancing through the repetition slices?

  3. Is there any other Round Robin technology in VI instruments over and above the Repititons Control?

  4. Since Synchron Player doesn't have Repitition Control, what if anything does Synchron Player do for this and/or for Round Robin concerns?

Thanks!

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Posted on Thu, Mar 26 2020 21:15
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12112

Hi, 

1) Most of our VI Series (and cleverly incorporated in Synchron Player). 

2) You have crescendos and diminuendos. 

3) That's a question I don't understand. 

4) It detects repeated notes and provides connected repetitions, where possible. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 26 2020 21:20
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 585

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

1) Most of our VI Series (and cleverly incorporated in Synchron Player). 

2) You have crescendos and diminuendos. 

3) That's a question I don't understand. 

4) It detects repeated notes and provides connected repetitions, where possible. 

Best,
Paul

I guess I am wondering if there is any underlying round robin technology built into VI instruments other then the Repitions Control... or is Repititons Control considered to be THE round robin technology that comes with VI instruments, if and when its provided in any given instrument?

When I watched the video tutorial it was talking about how to skip repititions, which basically gives a faster or slower rate of crescendo...and what I didn't understand is if that is always the case that all repititons always crescendo...or do I need to look to the preset/patch names and descriptions to understand which ones are intended for crescendo or descrescendo...  are any of them designed to not <>?

So I take it with Synchron Player instruments then, you are building similar technology inside it, but its more automatic then VI instruments, and I should just not worry about it and play my music?

Sorry for all the questions, what else can we do under lockdown...

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Posted on Fri, Mar 27 2020 01:45
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1092

Hey Dewdman, you're the reason I bought a MacMini 2018 instead of a Mac Pro! :-)

"...are any of them designed to not <>?"

You're confusing perf-rep patches with perf-rep cre5 / cre9.

VI patches come with:

perf-rep_leg  (legato repetitions)

perf-rep_port (portato repetitions)

perf-rep_sta (staccato repetitions)

perf-rep_spi (spiccato repetitions)

There are exceptions, of course, per instrument. See the manuals for listings. None of these naturally cresc/dim --they hold the same dynamic. (But by velocity or any other assigned controller, they can, of course vary their dynamic.) 

The patches with cre5/9 sequentially play louder or softer. Particular notes can be omitted so that they grow or diminish more quickly, as you observed. 

Thanks again for all your help at LPH.

Posted on Fri, Mar 27 2020 02:44
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 585

Thanks plowman. 

So from what I can see.  There are so called PERF REPITITION patches which ahve cresc and decresc patches.

and there are fast repititons where the repititions are actually recorded, rather then round robin programming

And then many other normal patches throughout VI are also using the Repititions Control, but without any cresc or decresc programming..to avoid round robin artifacts.

Sounda about right?

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Posted on Sun, Mar 29 2020 00:20
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1092

I had to check some of this before responding. 

"... there are fast repititons where the repititions are actually recorded, rather then round robin programming."

Yes. Load a fast-rep patch, and in the Advanced View, you'll see only one version of the sample (one red dot). By the way, a few of the older libraries also have one and two upbeat samples. 

"There are so called PERF REPITITION patches which ahve cresc and decresc patches."

Perf-Repetition patches come in two varieties: dyn5/9 *and* regular (non-dynamic) repetitions. 

"And then many other normal patches throughout VI are also using the Repititions Control, but without any cresc or decresc programming..to avoid round robin artifacts."

Yes. There are short and long notes with more than one alternative sample. They often have four options if you include the initial note (designated with the 1 in a circle). They're not designated with "perf" anything, but they still have round robin options.

Note as well that to deflect the machine gun effect, alternating tuning curves which can be triggered per note further obscure any sense of a repeated sample. 

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