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Synchronized Versions of SE Sound Radically Different
Last post Wed, Apr 01 2020 by bbelius, 11 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Mar 29 2020 18:44
by seanmccoy
Joined on Sat, Feb 28 2004, Central Point, OR, Posts 88

Hey, all. I'm a long time user of all the SE libraries, and after playing around with the Smart Orchestra a bit and being very impressed with the Synchron interface, I upgraded to the Synchronized SE versions. I fully expected these to be simply re-purposed from the original sample material, but have been a little suprised and disappointed that the sound is quite a bit different, and, especially in the case of the Appassionata Strings, inferior. The Synchronized versions, even when choosing the close presets with all reverb off, are less warm and more ambient. I do love the flexibility of the Synchron controls, and the libraries are overall more playable, but I'm curious as to why there are such marked sonic differences. Am I just missing something here, or have the libraries been modified in some way by design? 

Sean McCoy
Oregon Sound Recording
Posted on Sun, Mar 29 2020 19:27
by Lucy
Joined on Sun, Nov 26 2017, Posts 32

Synchron IR

Did you bypass/remove the IR?

Posted on Sun, Mar 29 2020 21:52
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 541

yep.  remove the IR on each channel..  it should end up being bone dry.

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Posted on Sun, Mar 29 2020 23:03
by seanmccoy
Joined on Sat, Feb 28 2004, Central Point, OR, Posts 88

Ah, thank you. I hadn't found that previously, subtly hidden in the main channel parameters as it is. And with a slight tweak of the filter settings, I've got them sounding pretty much identical now. Good to know that option is there as it actually adds a completely different set of flavors. Guess I need to go through the tutorials...

Sean McCoy
Oregon Sound Recording
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 10:29
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 161
Doing this way (drying out the SynchronSE) is it possible to use the Synchronized SE Violins as Vln1 and the VI Violins as Vln2 ?
Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 10:55
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 689

Hi Fabio!

Yes, the Solo Violin 2 and solo Cello 2 are lite versions of the Single Instruments Solo Violin 2 and Solo Cello 2.

Best, Ben

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 12:28
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 161

Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post

Hi Fabio!
Yes, the Solo Violin 2 and solo Cello 2 are lite versions of the Single Instruments Solo Violin 2 and Solo Cello 2
Best, Ben

Thank you for your reply, Ben.
I was typing from mobile phone, so not that comfortable for elaborating questions.
The "2" Solos are great additions, though I was referring to Orchestral Strings.
May SY-SE Orchestral Violins in conjunction with VI-SE double as Violin Sections I-II?
In this case I could get rid of the "pitch trick" and avoid keyswitch reassignements.
All that for a mere 47€...

Best

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 14:19
by seanmccoy
Joined on Sat, Feb 28 2004, Central Point, OR, Posts 88

That's a good idea. With the IR engaged, it really does take on enough of a timbral difference to function as a separate section. I've been actually using violins from different libraries to accomplish this, but this method would keep things more consistent from a performance standpoint.

Sean McCoy
Oregon Sound Recording
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 14:31
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 689

If you disable the IR and don't use MIR PRO you still have to use the transposition trick if you want to play the same note by the two violin sections.

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 15:12
by Fabio Biolcati
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2013, Posts 161

Originally Posted by: bbelius Go to Quoted Post

If you disable the IR and don't use MIR PRO you still have to use the transposition trick if you want to play the same note by the two violin sections.

Do SY_SE and VI_SE even share the same sampleset content, then?

Fabio Biolcati
SE1 Bundle, SE2&3 Strings; Notion5; Tannoy Reveal 501a
Posted on Wed, Apr 01 2020 16:04
by bbelius
Joined on Sat, Mar 14 2015, Posts 689

Partially. There are newly added instruments, as well as new articulations for some instruments; and the transition samples (legatos) were reworked in order to run with the new Synchron Player.

Ben
Technical Support - Vienna Symphonic Library
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