Vienna Symphonic Library Forum
Forum Statistics

181,993 users have contributed to 42,199 threads and 254,645 posts.

In the past 24 hours, we have 4 new thread(s), 9 new post(s) and 49 new user(s).

  1. Home
  2. Software
  3. Vienna MIR & Vienna Suite
  4. “Pre-treatment” of 3rd party libraries for Mir Pro

  • “Pre-treatment” of 3rd party libraries for Mir Pro

    J
    J

    Just starting out with Mir Pro and I am flabbergasted about it's sheer capabilities and amazing sound when using it with VSL libraries. I of course did some research here in the forum and already read the manual 😉 but still, there's questions...

    As the concept of working with third-party library's is clear to me, I still would like to get some advice. I have been experimenting with a few 3rd party libraries (mainly orchestras so far), always of course just using the "close"/dry signals. Still, and I did expect that, some libraries just don't give the sonic results you would wish for, since they still do have too much room information from the recording venue. But I found a few, that work pretty well. 

    My current question is about panning instrument groups from 3rd party orchestra libraries. All these groups, of course, are already positioned correctly in the stereo field and have a certain dimension to them, even when using the close mics. And I understood, that MIR needs them fed "centered stereo" and I strongly assume, that it does make no sense to mono a large group of violins....

    So, what are your experiences on how to properly center these signals and what kind of stereo-width do you give them in this "pre-panning" before you feed them in MIR? For example: take 16 strings.

    • How do I get them centered (just by listening?) and what stereo width do I give them in pre-panning: Full stereo or narrower 45° or...?
    • If I want to sound them like a
      a.) compact normal positioned violin group or
      b.) like a Hollywood-esque wide-spread Appassionata string group.
      How wide do I pre-pan the third-party DRY signal before I, of course, give them the desired position and width/expansion inside MIR?
      Should I pre-pan them wider in the "Appasionata" case?
    • I guess, this comes all down to the question on how MIR settings such as position and width interact with a given stereo signal and how it is treated before it gets fed into MIR....

    So, thanks for bearing with me and I am looking forward to your experiences and answers!

    Kind regards and Happy Easter!
    Joerg
  • DietzD
    VSL Team
    DietzD
    last edited
    last edited

    Re-centering a stereo signal with "baked in" positioning is indeed a bit cumbersome, but it's a straight-forward process technically. All you need is a stereo balancing device like the Power Pan Pro / Imager Pro plug-ins that come with Vienna Suite Pro. For additional ease-of-use you could feed the output into the Suite's Goniometer to see exactly what's going on in the stereo field.

    Apart from that I would try to keep those signals in full width in any case. Otherwise the positioning achieved by MIR will be less discernable, especially if you aim for the "Appassionata"-effect. 😊

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library