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Last post Sat, Apr 25 2020 by Dewdman42, 8 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Apr 24 2020 14:32
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 448

VI->Synchron

I have an old file with key switches to select articulations. I'm a bit confused about getting them to play in the new Synchron Player without having to redo all them. Is there a way, for example, to have spiccato triggered by F#0 without having to go through assigning several other dimension controllers at the same time? Otherwise it seems like for every articulation I often need to enter 3 or 4 pieces of control data!

Thank you,

Alan 

Posted on Fri, Apr 24 2020 19:48
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 633

Synchron Player users a Tree concept, as opposed to the ViPro matrix concept.  Ultimately Synchron Player is more flexible because you can have more then 3 dimensions.

In ViPro you have matrix rows, and for each matrix row you have a 2D grid.  (that's 3 dimensions).  So theoretically in ViPro you have to issue 3 keyswitches to get to exactly the right articulation cell you want in your preset.  one for the matrix, one for the X axis and one for the Y axis.

Often times in ViPro you can just send the X axis keyswitch and get to basic articulation changes without changing the Y axis and without changing the matrix row.  So that is probably what you are remembering from ViPro, one keyswitch does that.  To be explicit, you would technically need to send 3 keyswitches in ViPro also, one for the matrix, one for the X axis and one for the Y.

Now with Synchron, its a n-dimension concept...called a dimension tree.  You can think of the first column (dimension) like the matrix row in ViPro, the second dimension is the X axis and the third column is the Y axis.  You can change the keyswitch for the 2nd column (dimension) with a single keyswitch...and 3rd column slot position is remained in the position it is...kind of like ViPro sending an X axis switch and leaving the Y axis alone.

So that can all be done, but the question becomes whether the preset in Synchron is setup with the right dimension tree structure to enable you to commonly change articulations with a single keyswitch.

You can easily rearrange an existing preset into a different tree to your liking.  the importnat thing to remember is that the mixer is configured for the whole preset.  Each slot points to a channel in the preset mixer.  So you can create a new slot in one of the other dimensions, right click on any slot you want to copy it, paste it into the new slot...and it should still sound exactly the same through the mixer, but now you use a different keyswitch to activate it.  You could easily put you top 5 or 10 articulations into the first dimension (first column), and then they would fundamentally always be directly accesible with a single keyswitch.

This is a PITA if you have an older project you did with keyswitches embedded into the actual midi tracks...based on ViPro and now you want to play the project througth Synchron.  The easier solution would be to figure out what keyswitches you were using before and rearrange the dimension tree a bit as I noted above to match ViPro's setup..then your project should play.

One advantage of using ExpressionMaps and ArticulationSets for keyswitching is that you could easily change the keyswtiches being sent from the project to match the new presets, rathe then having to customize the preset, but I digress.

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Posted on Fri, Apr 24 2020 20:13
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 448

Thank you! :-)  

Posted on Sat, Apr 25 2020 10:51
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 448

Does this mean that a live performer really can't use Synchron? E.g. let's say He needs to switch quickly from legato to spiccato, and then to pizzicato and then back to legato.

???

Posted on Sat, Apr 25 2020 13:28
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12482

Hi Alan, 

You have even more flexibility with the Synchron Player, as you can move and copy all slots (including their contained child slot) around as you like. 

I hope I can get to a video that shows a few tricks there next month. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Apr 25 2020 16:16
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 633
Originally Posted by: belkina Go to Quoted Post
Does this mean that a live performer really can't use Synchron? E.g. let's say He needs to switch quickly from legato to spiccato, and then to pizzicato and then back to legato.
???


You can modify the dimension tree to make single keyswitches get what you want. You can alternatively use articulation sets (logicpro or mainstage) or expressionmaps (cubase) which can map single played keyswitches into multiple keyswitches to the instrument
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Posted on Sat, Apr 25 2020 16:56
by belkina
Joined on Sun, Jun 13 2004, Montreal, Posts 448

Paul made this clear to me now. :-)  I use DP, so the other options are not useful to me. but thanks anyway. :-)

Posted on Sat, Apr 25 2020 16:58
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 633

I hear you.  DP is badly in need of an articulation management solution.

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