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Dynamic Range in Synchron Player
Last post Fri, May 07 2021 by PaoloT, 14 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Apr 29 2020 14:40
by Richard Ford
Joined on Thu, Nov 25 2010, Posts 44

The thing hated more than most things about other libraries was that you could never go down to "niente" in the dynamic range. Cinematic Strings 2 being the only exception I can think of.

Then I bought VI Pro and Vienna libraries and the problem was solved. A dynamic Range control has is FULL RANGE!! Brilliant.

Only now in Synchron Player with the slider (default CC30) to full it is not full dynamic range - just about 95%

Does anyone know how to change this?

Posted on Wed, Apr 29 2020 16:34
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12638

Hi Richard, 

Thanks for your post. Indeed, this has been changed in the Synchron Player. 

You can of course always use Expression to fade out the last bits of signal.  For now that's the only solution I see. 

We already have a case about this, but it didn't get highest priority. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Apr 29 2020 17:41
by Richard Ford
Joined on Thu, Nov 25 2010, Posts 44

Wow! That's just made me realise something ..   a couple of years ago I mentioned to support that the Synchron piano never gets quiet enough - with velocity at 1. Now I see why!

Of course I never had the need to ride the velocity XF with piano, but do with strings.

I do hope this gets bumped up the priority list soon!!

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi Richard, 

Thanks for your post. Indeed, this has been changed in the Synchron Player. 

You can of course always use Expression to fade out the last bits of signal.  For now that's the only solution I see. 

We already have a case about this, but it didn't get highest priority. 

Best, 
Paul

Posted on Sat, Aug 15 2020 02:08
by michaelrasbury
Joined on Fri, Jan 04 2008, Charlottesville, Virginia, Posts 6

I have found that if I assign the expression fader to the same CC as my dynamic crossfade fader and then use the control tab to decrease the range of the expression fader using a custom curve, I get something very similar to the way the VI pro player works.  I do miss having FULL control over the dynamic range of a patch meaning I can make is so the lowest velocity doesn't play any sound.

Posted on Fri, Dec 04 2020 15:55
by matthewcreid
Joined on Wed, Dec 20 2006, Posts 5

Yes! One of the best things about the old VI player was the ability to widen the dynamic range, including to niente. It made for extremely expressive performances, all just using the mod wheel. I find cc11 is often at odds with the velocity x-fade.

Posted on Fri, Dec 04 2020 22:04
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 989

This is just me, but I’ve found that the Dynamic Range slider in VI is more a way to adjust the dynamic response than to access 'al niente'.

Usually, you don’t go to absolute silence. Going to al niente is a special behavior, a special technique. I’ve learnt to do it with Expression, and leave the Dynamic Range to the optimal setting.

Paolo

Posted on Tue, May 04 2021 15:34
by mozart999uk
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Posts 35

Any news on this?  I'd really like the dynamic range of longer notes to be wider and the same with staccato notes when mapped to velocity.....   They were both great in the old VI player.....

Posted on Wed, May 05 2021 09:41
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12638

Hi, 

No news there, sorry. 

Best,
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, May 05 2021 10:09
by mozart999uk
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Posts 35

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

No news there, sorry. 

Best,
Paul

 

Thanks Paul. Is there a way we can push this forward as a feature request?

Posted on Wed, May 05 2021 10:11
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12638

Hi, 

I hope we can include this with the next development sprint, but I can't make any promises. Our dev team is super busy for the next months. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, May 05 2021 10:13
by mozart999uk
Joined on Sat, Dec 01 2007, Posts 35

Thanks Paul.  Nice to hear  "Agile" terms ;-)

Posted on Thu, May 06 2021 17:14
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 989

From my experience, a disadvantage of fading to al niente with the Expression control seems to be that you don't only fade out the direct sound, but also the release and the reverb tail. With CC11 you are acting on the volume control of the channel (even if a relative control, compared to the general CC7 one).

So, being able to have the XFaded (CC1) control fade to zero seems to be necessary.

Paolo

Posted on Thu, May 06 2021 18:49
by Ben
Joined on Sat, Mar 06 2021, Los Angeles, Posts 40

Hi Paolo,

Sorry to say, but this wouldn't work either - it would have the exact same effect as using Expression to fade out.

Best, Ben

Ben @VSL
Posted on Fri, May 07 2021 14:06
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 989

Originally Posted by: Ben Go to Quoted Post

it would have the exact same effect as using Expression to fade out.

Hum, so, in any case any volume control (dynamics, expression, volume) will have effect on everything. At this point, the most fine-tuned way to fade volume could be to independently control dynamics on the separate mics, where available. Going completely to zero with the Close mics, leaving a bit open the more distant ones – all on separate tracks.

Paolo

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