You can decrease the release sample level by a knob in the right page. When completely deactivating it, it sounds more like the Vienna Imperial, more crisp and dry. That effect goes completely away then. I attach a little chromatic scale playing. It's just loading the instrument, putting only Mid1 and Mid2 up at the same level, loudness normalizing it. That's all.

I .. think I can hear what you are talking about but it doesn't bother me personally when playing.

Oh! I immediately heard it! With only this microphone it is indeed quite distracting! Yes then apparently mic 1 and 2 are supposed to work together. I can live with that, I don't see a reason right now to specifically use only this mic. However, it is indeed stramge that the panning occurs at this very discrete point and so radically. Not sure but I would almost also call it a bug ..

Hi everybody,

I've recently bought the Bosendorfer and I quite like it.

I am however pretty disappointed by the pretty distracting panning issues I am hearing on the Mid1 (extreme), but also on the Condenser and Ribbon to a much lesser extent.

Other than that, while this piano sounds wonderful, it too suffers from an unnaturally quick and somewhat clinical sounding note decay, lack of sympathetic resonance and silent key, just like all the pianos in the Synchron collection. Not to mention the lack of a velocity curve control which, for such an expensive VSTi, is quite disappointing, to say the least.

Unfortunately, the best microphone in my opinion is the Tube, which does not come with the standard version. So I pretty much paid the full (introductory) price for one single microphone.

I don't expect the note decay to be improved (would be a welcome surprise though), and the lack of sympathetic resonance and silent key are being discussed in another thread, but I would like someone from VSL to acknowledge the panning issues and to hopefully tell us that a fix is in the works.

 

Thank you and stay safe

Hi Paul,

It's not the width of the Mid1 mic - it's the fact that it doesn't pan consistently from left to right. It jumps around quite substantially from left to right between octaves and also between some individual notes. Just play a chromatic scale using only Mid1 and you'll see what I mean - or take a listen to the clip I posted above.

I don't think this is by design? It wouldn't make any sense. I'm assuming it's a bug.

Hi, 

Thanks for the additional explanations, I can hear what you mean. 

The mic signals have not been manipulated, but we will look into the Mid 1 again. 

Silent key, velocity editor and improved sympathetic resonance calculation is on our list. Unfortunately I cannot give you an ETA. 

Best, 
Paul

Thanks Paul,

To be clear, this also affects Mid 2.

To test, load only Mid 1 or Mid 2, make sure the Power Panner is neutral (Center C, Width 100%, Balance C) and play a chromatic scale up the keyboard (ideally wearing headphones).

Some examples:-

On Mid 1 C4-C5 are panned slightly left, C#5-B5 panned right, C6-F6 left, F#6 right, G6-B7 left, C8 right. There are problems in the lower register too, but it's easier to hear the higher notes.

On Mid 2, it's most obvious B5-C6, F6-F#6-G6, B7-C8. 

I suspect it's just that the L&R Mics got mixed up in some places when the samples were mapped across the keyboard.

Hope this helps!

Hi everyone,

I have the full version of the Bosendorfer. My computer is having struggles with it though. It plays well, but then when I'm adding large chords and the sustain pedal, I'm getting drop outs and clicks etc.

I have a Intel® Core™ i3-8100 Processor6M Cache, 3.60 GHz, and 24 gigs of ram. Maybe this processor is not fast enough? I'm just not sure.

I tried it also through the keyless vienna ensemble 7 tryout. As I have 4 cores, I decided to set it to one thread to see if that helped, but it seemed to be I was still having playback problems.

For the sound, I'm using a focusrite Scarlett solo for my soundcard. It's connected via usb.

I'm not sure what is causing the problem. I do have the SSD connected via an electrically powered usb port tree, and everything seems to be ok.

I would love some assistance if someone can help me here.

 

thanks,

 

Steve

Unfortunately, Jordan doesn't remember.... Here's what he said:

"Oh man – I realize I didn’t save a project for the piece I did. I basically called it up- tweaked the sound to taste and filmed it!!!!"

Best, Martin

I have to say the update has resulted in a step up in my enjoyment of the Bösendorfer Imperial. I don't properly understand the fixes, the panning issue was one I didn't pick up on but there is something cleaner about the sound after the update

I am however confused, from what I understand and my reading of the lightweight release notes the fixes are for panning issues in the mid mics and removing clicks for certain notes in the close and mid mics at high velocities. It feels like the improvement is more than that to me, are there any other changes or is that it?

I was rating BI a step down from the Vienna Imperial, but now I'd be hard pressed to say which i enjoy more.

They have quite different sounds.