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Harmonics notation and sounding pitch
Last post Wed, Jul 29 2020 by Northfield, 7 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Jul 27 2020 19:30
by Northfield
Joined on Fri, Mar 13 2020, Posts 20

Hello,

I have been using harmonics with Solo Cello I, notating them using the Sibelius keypad circular harmonic symbol. This works OK but the standard is that this symbol indicates that the harmonic sounds at the notated pitch but with VSL the note actually sounds two octaves above. Is this just a VSL error or is there a way to deal with this? I use a Mac, Sibelius 8, Symphonic Cube and Vienna Ensemble (not Pro).

I tried using the other method described on the Optimising Sibelius manual of adding a diamond notehead a fourth above a normal note but this produces no harmonic at all. The manual says I should uses VSL House Style 2.0 but I do not know what iteration of the House Style I am using as it is not obvious how to find out.

Thanks.

Posted on Tue, Jul 28 2020 09:54
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

Hello Northfield!

The octave setting of the harmonics in the Sibelius VI presets for the strings has been optimized for notation with the diamond notehead a fourth above the root note. That's the way they have been recorded and that's probably the most common way to notate them (see attached screenshot).

I have just tried it here with this kind of notation and it works without problems here. The harmonic sounds two octaves above the root note - that's the pitch that comes from this kind of harmonic. If you have run the VSL Soundset Installer in the last four years, you have a newer version of the "Vienna Symphonic Library" House Style version 2.0 installed. So with this House Style loaded, it should work on your place too.

Best regards,
Andi

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Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Jul 28 2020 15:47
by Northfield
Joined on Fri, Mar 13 2020, Posts 20

Thank you Andi - I have now got this to work and realised my mistake but it raises another question - I can only get this to work with a minim with this type of notation - no other rhythmic units work (that I have discovered). So in the first attached image, only the first low C produces a harmonic C two octaves above, the others produce no harmonic. Clearly in a score harmonics could be played using a variety of rhythms (see second attachment from my score) but it does not seem this is possible (though this works fine with the circle above the note keypad notation method).

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Posted on Wed, Jul 29 2020 07:52
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

Hello Northfield!

The diamond notehead triggers harmonics with every note value here. Maybe you use a different kind of diamond-like symbol. Only the third notehead in the list called "diamond" will work. The one you have used seems to fill out the notehead of the quarter note. That must be a different kind of notehead.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jul 29 2020 08:53
by Northfield
Joined on Fri, Mar 13 2020, Posts 20

Yes the second one along is a filled in notehead that I thought I would try, but the others are all the same one (i.e. the third on down on the dropdown Sibelius notehead type menu, but only the minim one works so there is a problem somewhere.

One other harmonic question - the Solo Cello I Extended should have natural harmonics samples as well as artificial but not sure how these trigger since one would not use the stopped note plus diamond note to notate these as they require just a single touch at a specific node, though the note that results is not necessarily the same one as at the node. Sometimes this are notated at sounding pitch with the circle above the note or a diamond note (only) at the node. What is the procedure here for these?

Thanks.

Posted on Wed, Jul 29 2020 10:21
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3253

Hello Northfield!

You can trigger the natural harmonic patches with the help of custom cells
https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/guides/sibelius-integration/ve-strings#custom

Please note that these patches are mapped differently to make all notes available in one patch. So the written pitch and the sounding pitch will not concur with these patches.

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jul 29 2020 22:58
by Northfield
Joined on Fri, Mar 13 2020, Posts 20

Thanks Andi I have managed to get it all to work now.

I realise with the artificial harmonics that if you just select the stopped note it only sounds the stopped note - you actually have to play the sequenced score for the harmonic to kick in.

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