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Pirate Jenny - Feedback?
Last post Tue, Sep 22 2020 by crusoe, 6 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Sep 11 2020 21:29
by Fastel
Joined on Wed, Nov 19 2008, Posts 32

Hi there,

I arranged and "samplizized" :) my Version of Pirate Jenny of the ThreePennyOpera.

=> how do you like the arrangement?
(Voc / Fl / Cl 1+2 / Bsn / Tr / Tromb / Ce / Db / Timp / Perc&ringididing / Guit / Pno)

My aim was it to set it as realistic as it could go.
=> What do you think about the sound / mix... I'm really struggeling with reverbation especially to put the singer into the "same hall" as the Orchestra.

I just have used VSL SE 1 Plus - old stuff but can it get the job done?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2k9n35o7hhm2tze/Seer%C3%A4uberjenny.mp3?dl=0

Thank you :)

Posted on Fri, Sep 11 2020 21:42
by FRG
Joined on Thu, Dec 04 2014, Posts 38

I have nothing to say, sorry, I think it's a great job.

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2020 10:48
by Fastel
Joined on Wed, Nov 19 2008, Posts 32

Thanks :)

So ... any more opinions?

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2020 14:40
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 141

Hi Fastel,

On the musical side of things, you did a pretty good job. Plenty of dynamics, and the most of the time the balance between the vocal and the orchestra is good.  Maybe in those louder parts you could let the vocals breathe just a little more.

The spatial picture created by reverb could be improved, yes. It is actually not that bad. I can't however give a more detailed comment here, because you didn't mention reverb settings that you used.

One fairly standard trick that could work here is to add the same *short* reverb to both vocals and the orchestra. It won't make the result too washy, and the same time will provide the need spatial glue.

Cheers,

Crusoe

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2020 15:42
by Fastel
Joined on Wed, Nov 19 2008, Posts 32

Hi,

okay I set the VSTIs in the Vienna MIRx Konzerthaus Großer Saal. Every Instrument as it is on default. (When I activate MIRx für a Flute Track - its default adjustments are "Flute 1" - as it seems to be related to classical orchestral settings. Could be a little bit to big.

Singer is on a default "Medium Vocal Concert Hall" setting (lexicon/LexConcertHall)

Predelay 8ms _/_ Rev Time 1.5 sec _/_ Rev Out Freq 2000Hz _/_Diffusion 72% _/_HiCut 6000Hz _/_ BassRT 1.00x _/_ Early Level -1.5 _/_ Dry/Wet Mix: 43%

Posted on Tue, Sep 22 2020 16:04
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 141

I don't have MIRx, does it allow setting dry/wet ratio for individual instruments? If yes, then certainly do it; instruments in the lower register get a little more reverb, the ones in higher register less. But don't follow this blindly, of course, it should sound right to you, of all things. I personally thought your basses are too wet, actually.

And the bigger picture: try reducing overall wetness of both components a little, and compensate that with a short reverb, as in my first message. Also, why such a big venue in MIRx? Try a smaller one, it should blend better, in my opinion.

Also, try to increase pre-delay gradually, maybe that willl help, too.

Good luck,

Crusoe.

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