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Last post Wed, Oct 21 2020 by sui, 67 replies.
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Posted on Fri, Sep 25 2020 10:18
by Sapkiller
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2002, Copenhagen - Denmark, Posts 395

Hi Paul

The demo's of the new Synchron Strings Pro left me speachless - its absolutely stunning and the closest to the real thing I have hear to date. So I will be "upgrading" from strings 1 post haste.

 

But now please tell me that you plan to do a con sordino extention to this library - right? 

It would be so gorgoues :-)

 

best regards

Bjarne

Best regards
Bjarne

"Keep your head cool and your heart warm"
Posted on Fri, Sep 25 2020 19:51
by Sakamoto
Joined on Sun, Jan 19 2003, Germany, Posts 100

Dear VSL-Team,

I spend quite some money for you libraries in the last years but this time its really worth it. In it´s ease of use its a real gift, even i payed for it. Hihi. Congratulation!. 

Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2020 00:06
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1099

01 1st Violins-14 Pro XF sus

C#1 Long Notes > F2 XFades > B2 Flautando X pp > Flautando  : the Flautando patch is mapped up to G7, causing it to sound when the Release key switches for pianissimo F7/G7 are chosen (when the crossfade using CC 20 is low enough to allow the Flautando to be heard). 

Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2020 09:25
by jhonny.eriksson
Joined on Mon, Jun 21 2010, Sweden, Posts 66

Never mind. Noticed that I made a mistake on my own.

However, I will leave it to a question. Does the Synchron Strings Pro do anything different compared to the VI series in regard to VXF? I feel like the VI series seamlessly replaces samples to more and more expressive when moving up the VXF slider. Synchron Strings Pro feels more like additional samples are added on top of another moving up the VXF slider the same way.

Is there a difference here or is it just my interpretation?


 

Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2020 15:12
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12231

Hi Jhonny, 

Glad you could resolve your problem. Do you want to post an example of what you hear?

The Velocity XF process is identical, but of course multiple mics create a different sound than 1 stereo channel that is sent to a reverb. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Sep 27 2020 17:57
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 139

I concur with Plowman, there appears to be a small error in one of the factory presets.

In the factory preset: "01 1st Violins-14 Pro XF sus"; tree path: "Long notes/XFades/Flautando X pp/Pianissimo", the mapping of "Release" dimension keyswitches "Normal release" on F7 and "Soft release" on G7 coincides with Flautando voiced notes F7 and G7. The consequence is that Flautando note F7 or G7 will speak audibly if the dimension keyswitch F7 or G7 is operated while the "Dynamic XFade" dimension control is set to give Flautando a proportion of the mix.

Obviously the user can work around this either by moving the "Normal release" and "Soft release" keyswitches out of the way of Flautando notes F7 and G7, or else by restricting the highest-note keyboard mapping of Flautando voices to E7.

No biggie. I'm sure it'll be fixed in a future library update. :D

Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2020 01:37
by plowman
Joined on Sat, Dec 13 2003, Posts 1099

Thanks for the confirmation, Macker. Yes, restricting the range of the Flautando is the better solution, as it preserves the F7/G7 template found elsewhere. 

Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2020 08:38
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3270

Hello plowman and Macker!
The little mistake in the 1st violins preset (flautando XF pianissimo range) will be fixed with a library update.
Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2020 13:07
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 139

Cheers Andi 

Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2020 15:00
by 9u10m
Joined on Thu, Dec 04 2008, Posts 82

I can also report what sounds like overlapping layers in the Tutti full range preset

> Long notes reg vib from C1 to E

Keep up the great work!

Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2020 17:09
by Sandrew
Joined on Fri, Nov 01 2019, Basel, Posts 15

I wonder if there will be Cubase/Nuendo expression maps for the Synchron Strings Pro anytime soon. Or was I looking in the wrong place and they're already there?

Posted on Mon, Sep 28 2020 20:36
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 188

Hi

I bought the library today and I really love it. I have one question though. For the Cellos legato patch (regular vibrato), the notes from C1 to D#1 sound very harsh compared to the other ones. It sounds like the tone is different. I don't have this problem with the molto vibrato legato patch or the one from Synchron Strings I. Has anyone noticed that too? Thanks! Great library!

Best, David

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Posted on Tue, Sep 29 2020 06:51
by Sandrew
Joined on Fri, Nov 01 2019, Basel, Posts 15

I know what you mean, but it's within the acceptable tollerance for me. Some extra dramam in the low register there ':D

But while we are bug reporting: The low velocity levels of 2nd Violins "Long notes" > "Regular vib." are very loud compared to the molto and senza vibrato. They are about equaly loud to the high velocity levels. Can someone confirm?

Posted on Tue, Sep 29 2020 09:54
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3270

Hello 9u10m and Sandrew!

I tried to reproduce your findings.

>> I can also report what sounds like overlapping layers in the Tutti full range preset. > Long notes reg vib from C1 to E

=> I can't reproduce that. In the octave from C1 to B1 there are no keyswitches at all in the "11 Tutti full range" presets. In this range only the double basses play. From C2 to D7 there are always two sections overlapping.

>> I wonder if there will be Cubase/Nuendo expression maps for the Synchron Strings Pro anytime soon. Or was I looking in the wrong place and they're already there?

=> So far there are no Cubase Expression Maps for Synchron Strings Pro, but they are on our to-do-list.

>> The low velocity levels of 2nd Violins "Long notes" > "Regular vib." are very loud compared to the molto and senza vibrato. They are about equaly loud to the high velocity levels. Can someone confirm?

=> I can't reproduce this here.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Sep 29 2020 12:41
by daviddln
Joined on Tue, Feb 25 2014, Posts 188

Originally Posted by: daviddln Go to Quoted Post

For the Cellos legato patch (regular vibrato), the notes from C1 to D#1 sound very harsh compared to the other ones. It sounds like the tone is different. 

Sorry, I meant the notes from C2 to D#2 (the lowest notes of the Cellos section). Here is an audio example with regular vibrato (with the harsh notes) and molto vibrato.

Best, David

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Posted on Tue, Sep 29 2020 14:59
by pat
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2008, Posts 6

I just purchased the Syncrhon Strings Pro Standard collection and want to share that these are the most playable strings patches to date for me personally. The agile and bold short articulations play cleanly, accurately and musically.  As those of you with classical piano technique, usually we have to play down to the samples responsiveness to get the best sound from the samples.  Not with these shorts.  PLay away like you are playing a fast piano passage and the strings keep up with no hesitation.  Really nice.

The long articulations are especially nice in that they include a soft release option. This allows for larger voicings to be played without the samples building up with the dreaded end of sample build up sound.

I like the polyphonic legatos using the complete sections loaded.  They are to be played carefully as I am sure a lot of programming is going on here.  But it is possible to get a fantastic legato across many voices being played in one pass.  This seems to be a breakthrough moment for this library and string libraries in general.

Add to all of this the value of VSL's pricing for this Standard collection intro pricing and I feel they have the best strings to value package here.  I am perfectly fine with the Standard collection with basic mic positions.  Thought I'm sure the extra mic positions would be useful for certain mixing uses.

Posted on Wed, Sep 30 2020 10:16
by mikeheels
Joined on Thu, May 21 2015, Posts 36

Hi Paul,

I believe a repackage would be much less confusing, especially for people who use "One track per instrument, with all the articulations" instead of using different tracks with different libraries.

Alternatively, and probably quicker and easier for you to do, is to at least provide us with presets that merge both libraries, so that for example I could load up my Violins 1 track, with one instance of the Synchron Player, and in that find all the articulations from SS1 Violins 1 and SSPro Violins 1.  

I hope you can pass this along as a feature request.

Best

-m

 

 

 

 

 

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi Kai, 

Thanks for your post. 

No plans to repackage Synchron Strings I so far, but we will be listening to the reactions of our users.
We also don't want to make this more confusing. 

Best, 
Paul



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Posted on Thu, Oct 01 2020 13:47
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 139

A question for the people who already bought the new library. One much debated topic of the first SYS release was "natural legato", or rather its absence, depending on how you look at it. Can anyone please tell if it's the same in SYS Pro, or different ? For me personally this would be an important part of the buying decision. Maybe for the others, too.

I'm listening to the demos; couldn't so far find one that could make the answer obvious. Also, apologies if I missed the question already answered elsewhere.

Cheers,

Crusoe.

Posted on Sat, Oct 03 2020 15:58
by MMKA
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Posts 383

Hi Crusoe,

To begin with: I could work well with Synchron Strings 1, also with the legato. It was just a little bit of work to overlap a little the notes. So I don't know if I am the right person to tell you about the legato of Synchron Strings Pro.
But okay: my 5 cents.

Yesterday I started working with "SSP" and Dorico. I'm just working on a piece for String orchestra. When I coupled the SSP to the music I had to adjust of course a lot, because it responds a little different from SS1. Today I went on working. Here a few of my experiences until this moment.

1. In SS1 I started always with some equing (how do you write that in English?). Here nothing. No extra reverb. I choose my microphones and off I went. (A very subjective experience of mine here: sometimes the sound is in a way just as breakable as in real life with a string orchestra, but you can build with it beautiful melodies, chords, accents, etc.)

2. The senza vibrato samples are great, because the sound is the same as the vibrato patches (without the vibrato of course), so you can very good xfade them, from senza vibrato, to regular or molto vibrato. In the past I discovered, that the senza vibrato patches were often a little brighter. I looks like that vibrato has an influence on the stroke. Of course. But it looks like now that the influence of vibrato is implemented in the non vibrato tones. Really, they are crafsmen and craftswomen.

3. In Dorico I had adjusted much tones of the piece with a little overlapping for a decent legato. Now I had to reduce or even delete most overlappings. And I have to say: I like this legato very much. I think (but I can't say of course), that you will enjoy this legato patches too.

4. Portamento. Until now I was not always a fan of Portamento, because it was often not totally the real thing (but sometimes it sounded nice in my ears). This portamento is very natural, of course the time stretch feature is a great help here. Unfortunately I encountered a bug with the violas, but that I report that to VSL. I'm sure they will fix that.

So I hope, this helps a little. I can't give you an audio example at this moment, because I have not finished yet my piece. But there are examples on the internet.

Kind regards.

Posted on Sat, Oct 03 2020 20:02
by crusoe
Joined on Sat, Dec 26 2009, Posts 139

Thanks MMKA for the detailed response. All I really care is the final result in the end, however it is achieved. Between real legato of VI libraries and emulated one of SYS, I'm in favor of real legato, personally. Apparently, things have changed given what you say about overlapping notes.

The observation about better crossfading is valuable, too. It was a similar experience for me with SYS. I simply had to avoid XF.

Cheers,

Crusoe.

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