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MIR Pro Update/MIRx Synchron Stage - Any Info?
Last post Mon, Jan 04 2021 by Dietz, 40 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Oct 25 2020 17:12
by jbischof202
Joined on Sun, Jun 23 2013, Posts 6

Hi guys!

Im a MIR Pro user since quite some time, i love it, its an incredible tool and i cant live without it.

I have a question tho - Dietz announced a MIR Pro Update coming this year - do we have a timeframe on that one when it might appear? Also, do we know what the status on MIRx Synchron Stage is?

 

 

Greets,

 

Joey

Posted on Sun, Oct 25 2020 18:52
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7743

Welcome Joey,

Thanks for using MIR Pro, and thanks for your interest in its further development. Highly appreciated!

The good news first: I have in fact finished two (very different) versions of MIRx presets for the Synchron Stage Vienna-Venue in the meantime. *whew!!* All in all, we're talking about roughly 900 hand-tailored new presets. 8-)

One version follows the classical MIRx-approach in a "portrait"-view of the hall, with 1st violins on the left, 2nd violins on the right, contra-basses close to the center axis. The second version adheres to the "Synchronized"-series' setup in respect of orchestral seating and sound; this setup will give VSL-users the definitive tool to  integrate Vienna Instruments and Synchron Instruments seamlessly with each other.

I'll attach a couple of screen-shots to give you an idea. And before your ask: I have no idea how fast VSL software engineers will find the time to build the necessary downloads, so please don't hold your breath yet.

This brings us to your second question: We are working on the new version of MIR, that's for sure. The all-dominant COVID-crisis has bowled down most plans and schedules, though. Never say never, but chances are very small that we will see MIR 3D this year ...  :-/

... thanks for your patience!

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/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Oct 26 2020 16:19
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 314

Finally the MIRx settings .... :)

Very good news! Thanks, Dietz!

Posted on Tue, Oct 27 2020 08:53
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1162

Has someone already said 'Yay!"? Ok, I’ll do it for you!

Bravo Dietz!

Paolo

Posted on Tue, Oct 27 2020 16:18
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 164

Dietz, you are awesome  - thanks so much!

Posted on Wed, Oct 28 2020 19:49
by jbischof202
Joined on Sun, Jun 23 2013, Posts 6

Thanks so much dietz, im SOO excited! :)

(Currently working on a big show due in 2 days, kinda got lost and forgot, sorry haha)

 

 

Greets,

Posted on Thu, Oct 29 2020 13:17
by edu
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2007, Posts 18
Very good news. Thanks a lot,
Eduardo
Posted on Thu, Oct 29 2020 17:14
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1162

My hint: the Synchron MIR/x presets will not come alone. They will come with an upgrade to the MIR technology, allowing for multi-mic simulation going beyond the current two sets. Making MIR more aligned with the Synchron set of audio channels.

Paolo

Posted on Thu, Oct 29 2020 23:44
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7743

:-D .... sounds like a great idea, Paolo, but that's not how MIR works. Sorry to rain on your parade ... 

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Oct 30 2020 09:55
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1162

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

:-D .... sounds like a great idea, Paolo, but that's not how MIR works.

Hi Dietz, I had this suspect because you already added a second mic set, that I think is derived from one of the various positions from where you sampled the room. But maybe the process is a different one.

In case it is a different sampling position, some of the rooms have more than two, so I wonder if they can be used as simulated channels. Or maybe there are phase issues.

A test I couldn't yet do is to first render the direct signal, the closest room mics, and a more distant mic set (simulating a Mid position). Then, a second pass would exclude the direct signal, and include two sets of mics positioned far from the source (to simulate a panoramic stereo pair and the surround pair).

Probably, it will only end into some sort of sonic molasses :)

Paolo

Posted on Fri, Oct 30 2020 11:39
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7743

Dear Paolo, the main issue is: The whole concept of MIR relies on Ambisonics. It gives us the possibility to define many acoustic parameters after the actual recording took place, and - equally important! - we can interpolate seamlessly between discrete source positions.

An Ambisonics recording is typically based on a so-called "coincident" multi-microphone array. We used indeed up to four of these arrays to capture the Venues represented by MIR - which is why we can add the Secondary Microphone, but that's for the wet signal component only: The goal is to increase the perceived spatial enveloping without sacrificing any of the positioning cues of the Main Mic. And yes, it's a great source for decorrelated rear mics in a surround mix, too!

The typical Synchron recordings use a completely different approach, based on wide-spaced single microphone capsules. They are referred to as "Decca tree", supported by Omni-outriggers and AURO top-layer mics. In short: A very different approach than a coincident recording. ... there have been lengthy discussions amongst Tonmeisters during the last 70 years (or so) which approach is "better", so I won't go into the details here. ;-) 

Although I went to any length in my quest to match the sound of the Synchron Instruments' setup for VSL's "Synchronized" Vienna Instruments and now for MIR/MIRx, it has to be said quite clearly that there won't (and can't) be a MIR engine as we know it that will be able to fully recreate a spaced microphone setup as described above.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Oct 31 2020 08:11
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1162

Thank you Dietz. Ouch, so it's all still in the same "stream", even if they appear as separate sets.

I'm perfectly fine with the "EMI" mic style, and I think that it blends reasonably well with the "Decca" style of the Synchron series.

Paolo

Posted on Sun, Nov 15 2020 23:13
by Del Gibbons
Joined on Sun, Dec 19 2004, Posts 53
Really looking forward to the mirx settings.

And that's some setup there in those images!
Long time VSL user since nearly the beginning :D

Derek Gibbons MA BMus(Hons) CompTIA A+

Cubase Pro 10.5 x2 // Vienna MIR Pro // Synchron // Cinesamples // Roland Cloud // Komplete // Waves

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Posted on Mon, Nov 16 2020 11:30
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1162

The image itself is a great help. I would have frankly never imagined that it was a good idea to move strings so near to the mics. But it works great. Examples from the masters are always a great guidance.

Paolo

Posted on Tue, Nov 24 2020 01:25
by cgernaey
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2005, Detroit-Michigan, Posts 1062

I have been doing that for many years.  The biggest thing is to let your ears tell you it's ok, not how it looks on the stage.  I have done some of the stupid shit you can imagine with this tool.  People would probably laugh and say I am an idiot but oh well!  As long as they don't see how it looks, and it sounds great I really gave up caring how it looked on the stage years ago!

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Posted on Wed, Dec 09 2020 13:22
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 314

I know, I know. Any news for the MIRx download? Would be a nice Christmas gift. :)

Posted on Wed, Dec 09 2020 14:35
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7743

We hear you! ;-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Dec 15 2020 10:48
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 307

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

We hear you! ;-)

Thank you so much! i didn't realize initially what the update was about, so as usual I just come to the forum and find the answer ;)

But adding a change-log update will also help other users to get the point, I guess. ;)

And now I will have fun experimenting and comparing my set-ups to yours (usually always very good, so I'm really excited by this time saving and quality improving feature, that was my best source for learning as well).

Posted on Tue, Dec 15 2020 13:05
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1162

Thank you, Dietz, for this great addition to MIR! You'll save from a lot of mixing mistakes from now on! :)

Paolo

Posted on Tue, Dec 15 2020 20:39
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 314

Awesome! Thanks, Dietz and team!

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