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Logic articulation set with Vienna Ensemble Pro
Last post Thu, Jan 14 2021 by Dewdman42, 3 replies.
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Posted on Sun, Nov 22 2020 15:52
by lupine
Joined on Sun, Feb 14 2016, Posts 34

Hi everyone,

I am planning to move my current Cubase project to Logic and I wonder how to correctly handle articulation changes.
In Cubase I have a single VE Pro plugin, connected to a unique VE Pro server instance hosting about 70 VSL instruments.
Could you please tell me how should I configure Logic to use that single server instance?

Many of VSL articulations require more than just three output parameters and if I have well understood, the only way to circumvent that Logic limitation is by using a Scripter plugin on every midi track, is that correct?

I have tried the VSL AU3 supplied templates but they support only 8 ports per server instance and the solo/mute buttons of the tracks are linked, I can’t mute/solo a single track only :(
I have also tried the old VSL multi-instruments template and that seems to support more than 8 ports and the solo/mute buttons on the tracks are not linked, but I lost the possibility to insert MIDI FX plugin into them because their channel strips don’t permit plugin attachment.

I am a bit confused and sorry if that has already been questioned before.

Hope you can help :)

Posted on Wed, Jan 13 2021 17:27
by Pieman1560
Joined on Mon, May 07 2018, Gloucestershire, UK, Posts 67

Hi Lupine

Sorry for the late reply..I've only use seen your post!

If your looking to use Logic you may want to check out Babylone Waves as there Art-Conductor software does exactly what you want it to...load an instrument into 1 logic track and change to any articulation you want to

They've mapped almost all the VSL stuff...and it works brilliantly..in Ensemble or hosted in Logic...and you can change the articulation on notes to..if you use the score editor.

Check them out here

https://www.babylonwaves.com/logic-pro/

I hope that helps mate

Kindest 

Paul

Posted on Thu, Jan 14 2021 00:05
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 616

Originally Posted by: lupine Go to Quoted Post

Could you please tell me how should I configure Logic to use that single server instance?

Yes you need t use AU3

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I have tried the VSL AU3 supplied templates but they support only 8 ports per server

LogicPro has a limitation of 127 source tracks per AU3 instrument channel.  This is a limitation of its multi-timbral mechanism.  However, if you have a source track that, for example, is channelized out to 16 different channels for each articulation on a different channel in VePro...then it is possible to feed VePro with more than 127 channels on 8 ports.  You can go up to 48 ports.  But Logic's limitation is that you can only have 127 source tracks that feed the instrument channel hosting the VePro plugin.  if you try to create a 128th source track, all hell breaks loose.

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instance and the solo/mute buttons of the tracks are linked, I can’t mute/solo a single track only :(

This is a misunderstanding of how multi-timbral instruments are handled in LogicPro and a common complaint.  The track headers in LogicPro display a fader and solo/mute buttons which effect that actual instrument channel strip where VePro plugin is hosted as a multi-timbral instrument.  As such they are all linked to the same channel strip in LogicPro...to the same mute/solo/fader, so they are all linked together and move together.  I recommend you don't use mute/solo/fader when using multi-timbral instruments in LogicPro.  You can use the ON/OFF button in LogicPro instead of Mute and that will serve similar purpose.

Alternatively you can setup midi tracks that route through the environment to get to the Instrument channel with VePro indirectly.  when you do that, the tracks become pure midi tracks...and then mute is a midi mute, solo is a midi solo, fader is midi CC7....rather then being linked to the channel strip hosting VePro plugin.  There are pros and cons with this.

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I have also tried the old VSL multi-instruments template and that seems to support more than 8 ports and the solo/mute buttons on the tracks are not linked, but I lost the possibility to insert MIDI FX plugin into them because their channel strips don’t permit plugin attachment.

Don't use those, they are deprecated and problematic.  The reason you were able to solo and mute those was because they were routing through the environment as I just described, so they were actually midi mute and midi solo that you were doing.   You still could have used MIDIFX, but you have to put the midiFX all globally on the single VePro instrument channel...which means each MIDIFX is effecting all the midi funneling through it, which is usually too difficult, I agree.

I have some improved AU3 templates and instructions for how to easily create your own AU3 template, using both of the approaches listed above.  You can find them and related comments about how it all works here:

https://www.logicprohelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=143416

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