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Last post Thu, Dec 08 2022 by glasswing, 195 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Nov 22 2022 15:20
by Tomboman
Joined on Sun, Mar 01 2015, Posts 3

My guess is at least June 2023 - If it would have been any close to release a native version in the next 3 months, they would have given a timeframe.

Originally Posted by: C_Caouette Go to Quoted Post

All I want for the holiday is an Apple Silicon native VEP.   🎄

Any updates or timeframe?   

Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2022 06:11
by ariacat
Joined on Sat, May 31 2003, Posts 23

It's time VSL offer everyone unlimited free licenses to run its ancient VEP software on as many external machines as they want so that we can put all the VSL stuff on those old Intel computers we have lying around while running native M1 DAW software on our new Mac Studios. 

Posted on Wed, Nov 23 2022 21:57
by rockdude9k
Joined on Fri, Oct 05 2012, Posts 6

I really doubt that it'll be another 6+ months.  My guess would be end of year, or January.  VSL has publicly said on this forum thread that they are currently working on M1 native comparability and it will come out soon.  Or something like that, I can't find the exact post.

 

Btw I'm not saying I'm not frustrated, or that I'm not shocked that VEP is the last thing in my setup that isn't M1 compatible.  But they did say it would be soon, hopefully they actually meant it.

Posted on Fri, Nov 25 2022 05:39
by kurt
Joined on Mon, Jan 15 2007, Belgium, Posts 63

I also hope on a Christmas release. It would make life much easier. It's the only plugin for me now that is non-m1 native in my cubase template. 

Posted on Fri, Nov 25 2022 08:34
by Michael Canavan
Joined on Sun, Jun 25 2017, Posts 26

Originally Posted by: rockdude9k Go to Quoted Post

I really doubt that it'll be another 6+ months.  My guess would be end of year, or January.  VSL has publicly said on this forum thread that they are currently working on M1 native comparability and it will come out soon.  Or something like that, I can't find the exact post.

 

Btw I'm not saying I'm not frustrated, or that I'm not shocked that VEP is the last thing in my setup that isn't M1 compatible.  But they did say it would be soon, hopefully they actually meant it.

They did say that it was in beta, but the same guy from VSL who said that also thought the VST VEP plug in was already native, so take that for what it is. 

To be fair personally, I have a longer list than just VEP: Reason Rack, IK T-Racks and ARC, Audio Ease Altiverb and Speakerphone, Reaktor, Battery, half of PSP, AudioFinder etc. etc. 

 VEP just happens to be the one that holds up real progress by forcing Rosetta on the DAW to use the MAS version. 

Posted on Fri, Nov 25 2022 15:36
by ArasB
Joined on Thu, Jul 01 2021, Colorado, Posts 4

Can't wait to be able to play my instrument live without having random 100% cpu spikes.  M1 support can't come soon enough.

Posted on Tue, Nov 29 2022 23:20
by dterry
Joined on Thu, Jan 30 2003, Posts 57

Originally Posted by: ariacat Go to Quoted Post

It's time VSL offer everyone unlimited free licenses to run its ancient VEP software on as many external machines as they want so that we can put all the VSL stuff on those old Intel computers we have lying around while running native M1 DAW software on our new Mac Studios. 

I agree.  I typically try to keep my expectations from companies fair to them as well as customers, but VSL prioritizing stopping a few 14-year olds from using their software illegally (iLok), ahead of thousands of working, paying professional customers is a step too far.  I put up with iLok, but it costs users quite a bit more than it saves developers (I ran the numbers in my own case over the course of a year;  developers have no similar data and can only rely on speculation). 

It seems reasonable to suggest that VSL offer an olive branch to its paying customers.  I understand this may have been an unfortunate collision of circumstances for VSL - end of elicenser just before the release of M1s.  But I also know this has cost me many hours and late nights trying to create workarounds, with little success, as it has others.  Even if VSL releases an update next week, this situation makes me question the wisdom in relying on VEPro.  For that reason, I am very close to committing to a return to hardware audio and Midi I/O and one of several instrument hosting options to eliminate any further VEP hassles permanently.  The only obstacle there is cost.  It is much more OS/upgrade future-proof than software such as VEP. 

As much as I like VEPro, it is a risk.  Future hardware and OS updates could put us in a similar situation, and this includes Windows.  Win 11 is already a security-obsessed nightmare. 

Posted on Fri, Dec 02 2022 12:11
by JyTy
Joined on Wed, Feb 26 2020, Posts 1

Yeah, after waiting silently for over a year, now I'm just expressing my confusion here... VEPro is the most essential thing in my current setup and the only plugin preventing me to switch to M1 native :/

Really hope we get the support soon-ish ... even if it is a v8 paid update, would gladly pay for an upgrade. Just make it work :)

Posted on Tue, Dec 06 2022 14:53
by glasswing
Joined on Fri, Feb 15 2013, Vancouver Island, Posts 31

Just got the note that Pro Tools will be releasing a Beta that is compatible with Apple Silicon.  Avid is one of the most cautious software developers out there.  If VEP doesn't step up to the plate soon, that wonderful, unique and incredibly USEFUL Swiss Army knife will become a fossil.   I don't need new libraries.  But I would like to have all the old sessions I did with VEP to work. 
Apple Mac Studio Ultra / Pro Tools

Posted on Tue, Dec 06 2022 22:33
by rockdude9k
Joined on Fri, Oct 05 2012, Posts 6

Originally Posted by: glasswing Go to Quoted Post

Just got the note that Pro Tools will be releasing a Beta that is compatible with Apple Silicon.  Avid is one of the most cautious software developers out there.  If VEP doesn't step up to the plate soon, that wonderful, unique and incredibly USEFUL Swiss Army knife will become a fossil.   I don't need new libraries.  But I would like to have all the old sessions I did with VEP to work. 
Apple Mac Studio Ultra / Pro Tools

 

 

Agreed, I'm constantly shocked that companies such as SoundToys and Avid are ahead of VSL on this.  I know that it's probably more complicated than I know, but clearly other companies are figuring this out.

Posted on Wed, Dec 07 2022 10:33
by snattack
Joined on Fri, Oct 03 2008, Piteå, Sweden, Posts 72

Originally Posted by: HONEYHILL Go to Quoted Post

VSL LiveChat <>
           
17 Nov 2022, 19:26 (14 hours ago)
           
to me
Hello Oliver,
 
thanks for getting in touch.
 
You can use all our samples & software on the macOS Ventura. Our software also works with the M1 and M2 chips, and it works surprisingly well on Rosetta 2.

There are a couple of developers using this rethorics (Audioease, among others), and to me, either this is the pinnacle of condesending mumbo-jumbo, or – even worse – VSL don't understand the problem with this argument. I don't believe the last one if the case, instead it's just a way of confusing people.

The problem is not VEP itself. It's the fact that all DAWs except Logic has to be run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means all other plugins will run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means bugs, glitches, performance degredation, etc. Most of us has hundreds of plugins. Of which 99% are now M1 native, where all VSL related software is not.

Even mentioning this as a "positive" argument makes me so annoyed I feel it was worth permanently abandoning VEP just for the sake of not being humiliated.


 
Posted on Wed, Dec 07 2022 16:04
by Michael Canavan
Joined on Sun, Jun 25 2017, Posts 26

Originally Posted by: snattack Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: HONEYHILL Go to Quoted Post

VSL LiveChat <>
           
17 Nov 2022, 19:26 (14 hours ago)
           
to me
Hello Oliver,
 
thanks for getting in touch.
 
You can use all our samples & software on the macOS Ventura. Our software also works with the M1 and M2 chips, and it works surprisingly well on Rosetta 2.

There are a couple of developers using this rethorics (Audioease, among others), and to me, either this is the pinnacle of condesending mumbo-jumbo, or – even worse – VSL don't understand the problem with this argument. I don't believe the last one if the case, instead it's just a way of confusing people.

The problem is not VEP itself. It's the fact that all DAWs except Logic has to be run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means all other plugins will run in Rosetta2 mode. Which means bugs, glitches, performance degredation, etc. Most of us has hundreds of plugins. Of which 99% are now M1 native, where all VSL related software is not.

Even mentioning this as a "positive" argument makes me so annoyed I feel it was worth permanently abandoning VEP just for the sake of not being humiliated.


 

I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance, and no running older projects. For Cubase this doesn't work I would suppose. 

 the worst part to me is that personally all that needs changing is the VEP plug in itself, I don't plan on running the server on Apple Silicon here, since I have 96GB on the old Mac Pro and it works just fine. I'm almost willing to bet that VSL doesn't release the AS native VEP version until their Syncron players and the rest of their products are native as well. Hopefully I'm wrong, but I just get the feeling that they wouldn't want to release the server as native without their own products being able to be used in it natively. 

Posted on Wed, Dec 07 2022 17:43
by dterry
Joined on Thu, Jan 30 2003, Posts 57

Originally Posted by: Michael Canavan Go to Quoted Post

I'm running DP11 in native Apple Silicon mode, the issue isn't that you have to run your DAW in Rosetta it's that you have to run the VEP plug in, in AU, so no VST or MAS version for instance,



Exactly, which means no multiple Midi ports for VEP (AU), which is a showstopper for many of us.

Ditto - All I need is the VEP plugin to be M1 native (MAS preferably). All of my servers are PCs.  I have no plans to run VEP server on a Mac M1 anytime in the next 1-2 years. 

Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2022 16:18
by kpbenoit
Joined on Tue, Jan 17 2012, Posts 5

I'm in exactly the same boat.  If I could run an Apple Native AU plugin in the DAW (Logic for me), I could access my PC servers hosting all the samples I've used for years.  Rosetta mode is glitchy as hell for many, many things. 

Posted on Thu, Dec 08 2022 17:00
by glasswing
Joined on Fri, Feb 15 2013, Vancouver Island, Posts 31

Originally Posted by: kpbenoit Go to Quoted Post

I'm in exactly the same boat.  If I could run an Apple Native AU plugin in the DAW (Logic for me), I could access my PC servers hosting all the samples I've used for years.  Rosetta mode is glitchy as hell for many, many things. 



I installed a couple NVMe's in a Sonnet Echo Dual NVMe (RAID) because the Mac Studio Ultra (128 gigs RAM) can easily handle it.  I moved (re-downloaded) all my VI samples to that.  So really I don't need VEP anymore - but it sure would be nice for all the earlier work.  And because I love its organization / bundling of VI"s in one place.  Haven't hit the RAM ceiling - or come close yet - and I've done some fairly complex stuff.  But no full tilt Hollywood scores / soundtracks etc. 

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