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Last post Mon, Jan 30 2023 by rockdude9k, 232 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Dec 28 2022 13:59
by Tomboman
Joined on Sun, Mar 01 2015, Posts 5

Originally Posted by: Paul Go to Quoted Post

Hi, 

It's high on our list, but I can't give you an ETA - it usually only causes disappointment when things don't go as planned. 

But rest assured that we're on it!

Best, 
Paul

That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?

Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!

Thank you

Posted on Wed, Dec 28 2022 18:45
by andy1044
Joined on Mon, May 28 2018, Posts 1

Originally Posted by: Tomboman Go to Quoted Post

That message was exactly 6 months ago - Any news at all?

Hope everyone had a fantastic Christmas!

Thank you

https://vi-control.net/community/threads/vsl-synchron-piano-and-apple-m1-confirmed-bug.133865/post-5252224

It seems like they're getting fairly close, but no hard ETAs yet.

Posted on Thu, Dec 29 2022 08:30
by Tomboman
Joined on Sun, Mar 01 2015, Posts 5

Originally Posted by: andy1044 Go to Quoted Post

Oh great, that sounds good. Thank you very much!

Posted on Sun, Jan 01 2023 14:37
by cthurau_7268
Joined on Fri, Jul 09 2004, Posts 2

Halleluja - that would be fantastic . . . HAPPY NEW YEAR 2023 .... long live Apple Silicon  and ViennaSL.

Posted on Wed, Jan 11 2023 04:49
by Luke_B
Joined on Tue, Dec 28 2021, Phoenix, AZ, Posts 9

Glad it's being worked on!

I just figured out that this is the reason why most of my VST3 plugins weren't showing up in Studio One.

Posted on Thu, Jan 12 2023 19:20
by evang42
Joined on Fri, Apr 08 2011, Posts 32

Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!"  haha.  One can dream....

Posted on Fri, Jan 13 2023 22:32
by fatis12_24918
Joined on Sat, Dec 16 2006, Posts 351

Originally Posted by: evang42 Go to Quoted Post

Every morning I get into the studio I check VSL's homepage, hoping, praying, "today will be the day I see a big beautiful logo for VEP8 w Apple Silicon native support!"  haha.  One can dream....

LOL... +1

frustrating... isn't it? :(

Posted on Sat, Jan 14 2023 00:08
by glasswing
Joined on Fri, Feb 15 2013, Vancouver Island, Posts 32

Just my every few month check in.  Still ok without it, but I haven't done any of the really big stuff yet.  And fortunately a lot of my instrument settings/setups were saved - so I can run 'em as a plugin (Ivory, Trillium, Omnisphere, newer Spitfire etc) and some inside Kontakt. Everything would be easier if VEP worked.  It's been fun learning work arounds and the capabilities of this machine (Mac Studio Ultra / 128 RAM).   Pretty astonishing. 

Posted on Mon, Jan 16 2023 16:35
by dts_marin02
Joined on Sat, May 31 2014, Posts 3

Just got my Mac Studio! The only thing keeping me back is the native VEP MAS plugin. Hopefully this will be the month..

Posted on Mon, Jan 16 2023 21:58
by afterlight
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2011, Posts 19

I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do. 

VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it. 

Posted on Tue, Jan 17 2023 21:50
by Michael Canavan
Joined on Sun, Jun 25 2017, Posts 34

Originally Posted by: afterlight Go to Quoted Post

I'd love to see how many people check this thread daily. I know I do. 

VSL reeeeeally dropped the ball on taking this long. I keep hoping that Apple would completely discontinue intel just to force them to either deprecate Ensemble or to update it. I wish they'd make it a paid update and focus on it, even if it doesn't have Synchron player updated, so many of us rely on it. 

Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once. 

 Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now. 

Posted on Tue, Jan 17 2023 22:11
by rockdude9k
Joined on Fri, Oct 05 2012, Posts 8

I check this page at least once a week.  I always thought VSL was one of the better tech companies, not so much any more.  I would have been so happy if they rolled it out in phases, all I need is the VST plugin to be native.  I, like many other people, host all the samples on a PC.  So I only need the bridge to be native.  Then of course they could have rolled out the host software later.

 

That seems like such a simple concept, but here we are...still waiting...

Posted on Tue, Jan 17 2023 22:42
by dts_marin02
Joined on Sat, May 31 2014, Posts 3

Originally Posted by: Michael Canavan Go to Quoted Post

Yeah it caught me off guard. The main thing with Apple Silicon is the GUI differences from Intel Mac and Windows, so I wrongly assumed that because VEP was a modern looking application that the GUI framework was portable to Apple Silicon in a timely manor. For instance Arturia upgraded their plug ins for VST3 and resizable GUIs previous to Apple Silicon being announced, so it was obvious they would be light years ahead of NI who had old GUIs and frameworks for them from in some cases 15 years ago according to their reps. That's not the case though, they obviously have some lower level stuff to deal with, like how NI waited so long they're dealing with VST3, Apple Silicon and resizable GUIs all at once. 

 Arturia and Audio Ease are the big ones on my list left now. 

Developing a stable VST3 host that plays well with most VST3 plugins isn't easy apparently. A lot of developers dislike the VST3 standard and the forced transition to it was very problematic for many of them. 

For me VEP doesn't inspire much confidence lately. After the switch to iLok I keep seeing a lot of new issues - on top of the long-standing problems of VEP7 - on this forum and elsewhere.

I'm disappointed because VEP is a mission critical software for a lot of professionals. This should be the biggest focus of VSL.

Another unfortunate thing that didn't help is that the "big guys" already have 2019 Mac Pros so the pressure isn't as strong. If Apple had moved to AS without releasing the 2019 MP the story would be a lot different with much more complaints and drama.

Posted on Tue, Jan 17 2023 23:44
by Michael Canavan
Joined on Sun, Jun 25 2017, Posts 34

Originally Posted by: rockdude9k Go to Quoted Post

I check this page at least once a week.  I always thought VSL was one of the better tech companies, not so much any more.  I would have been so happy if they rolled it out in phases, all I need is the VST plugin to be native.  I, like many other people, host all the samples on a PC.  So I only need the bridge to be native.  Then of course they could have rolled out the host software later.

 

That seems like such a simple concept, but here we are...still waiting...

To their credit, on top of VST3, GUIs for modern times, and Apple Silicon.... VSL also recently had to switch from eLicenser to iLok. They IMO shot themselves in the foot inadvertently by not doing VST3 earlier, at least one port would be out of the way. 

  the main WTF? moment though is as you state, them not porting the plug in over ASAP. This is IMO a huge financial loss to them since people would have bought the software just to use depreciated or incompatible VSTs on a server machine while running the VEP AU, MAS or VST3 plug in, in their DAW. 

Posted on Tue, Jan 17 2023 23:56
by Michael Canavan
Joined on Sun, Jun 25 2017, Posts 34

Originally Posted by: dts_marin02 Go to Quoted Post

Developing a stable VST3 host that plays well with most VST3 plugins isn't easy apparently. A lot of developers dislike the VST3 standard and the forced transition to it was very problematic for many of them. 

 To be honest, it's a matter of Steinberg changing far too much, and developers not agreeing with the changes, but 15 years later Steinberg aren't budging, it's their format, they write the rules and until CLAP is the defacto standard we're stuck with it, AU and single DAW solutions like MAS. I fear for MAS, VSL could drop it with all the work they made for themselves. MAS is great in DP, and I would definitely miss it. 

 

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For me VEP doesn't inspire much confidence lately. After the switch to iLok I keep seeing a lot of new issues - on top of the long-standing problems of VEP7 - on this forum and elsewhere.

I'm disappointed because VEP is a mission critical software for a lot of professionals. This should be the biggest focus of VSL.

Another unfortunate thing that didn't help is that the "big guys" already have 2019 Mac Pros so the pressure isn't as strong. If Apple had moved to AS without releasing the 2019 MP the story would be a lot different with much more complaints and drama.

Mostly VEP can't be beat for big projects, I'm betting in the larger setups even the fastest computers out there benefit from taking out hosting tasks from the DAW. 

Posted on Wed, Jan 18 2023 00:15
by Davka
Joined on Fri, Aug 10 2018, Mongolia, Posts 14

Still checking every morning... Any news? It has been already 2 years 2months since first M1.

G.Davaakhuu
Tags: vst3 VEP7 M1
Posted on Wed, Jan 18 2023 15:44
by marc_5798
Joined on Tue, Mar 23 2004, Posts 13

I finally decided to upgrade my 2009 Mac Pro last summer. I'm not an early adopter (although I did buy the Symphonic Cube when it came out!) so I thought a couple years should be enough for all my plug-ins and VI developers to catch up so I leisurely migrated my rig to a MAC Studio. I upgraded from VEP5 to 7 only to realize now that it still doesn't support M1! I was shocked to learn that, last thing I was expecting. Should be coming out any time now...

Posted on Wed, Jan 18 2023 19:43
by afterlight
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2011, Posts 19
It certainly has the feel of abandonware at this point. Their strategy of just saying “we aren’t going to give a timeline to avoid disappointment” is just crazy - this is professional software. Even a rough quarter timeline - or a “won’t be this year” so people can plan hardware purchases…it’s just nuts. Tiny companies like audioease which aren’t likely to ever get there, I understand, but apple silicon isn’t going anywhere. My assumption at this point is that it’s basically a from scratch rewrite due to the codebase and they’re just stalling and it may never happen, which is an awful thing to assume but when there’s only endless “can’t say when” answers, hard to know what else to do. I hope that isn’t true. A setup with multiple mac studios would be so elegant.
Posted on Wed, Jan 18 2023 22:42
by Watercolor Music
Joined on Sun, Aug 09 2020, Posts 3

It is late January 2023. No VST3 support, no Apple Silicon support (not even the plugins). I really don't know what to say...

Posted on Thu, Jan 19 2023 00:56
by afterlight
Joined on Mon, Apr 04 2011, Posts 19

Yeah. One wants to believe. I'd be happy to pay quite a bit for the upgrade.

But it's starting to seem like there's actually a reason it might be impossible, or something, due to the changes in the way the memory works perhaps, or something similar. I guess perhaps it's also about updating everything - synchron player too, and MIR. And making the change to the sampler might be non-trivial. 

But over 2 years later, it's starting to seem like the community and customers deserve at least a timeline. I know they don't want to give a date. But a 'we will be able to do this' and a rough guesstimate of a quarter or even a year in which they might achieve it would go such a long way to helping those with large studios decide what hardware to even purchase.

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