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Last post Sun, Jan 29 2023 by Michael Canavan, 231 replies.
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Posted on Thu, Oct 06 2022 04:01
by Davka
Joined on Fri, Aug 10 2018, Mongolia, Posts 14

every morning i wake up and check this forum. One day the sun will rise. 

G.Davaakhuu
Posted on Thu, Oct 06 2022 15:31
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 98

Me too!

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 12
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Comp 3: Mac air M1
Posted on Thu, Oct 06 2022 16:12
by evang42
Joined on Fri, Apr 08 2011, Posts 32

haha same.

Posted on Sun, Oct 09 2022 16:16
by realscoremusic
Joined on Tue, Mar 18 2003, Posts 14

I'm strategizing how to divest myself of using VEPro. I get that there are technical complications with how to do this, but if VSL can't keep up with the technology (and it's been over a year) then they no longer have my business. Such a shame.

Mac Studio Ultra, 128GB, 2TB. UAD Twin X, VSS3 Reverb, endless libraries.
Posted on Mon, Oct 10 2022 04:21
by bdr
Joined on Sat, Nov 20 2004, Melbourne Australia, Posts 5

Originally Posted by: realscoremusic Go to Quoted Post

I'm strategizing how to divest myself of using VEPro. I get that there are technical complications with how to do this, but if VSL can't keep up with the technology (and it's been over a year) then they no longer have my business. Such a shame.

 

are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.

Posted on Tue, Oct 11 2022 03:29
by dterry
Joined on Thu, Jan 30 2003, Posts 63

Originally Posted by: bdr Go to Quoted Post

are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.

When I have time I am working through configuring Cantabile to run as the host on my i7 with RTP midi to connect to DP on my Mac M1.  That's my longterm plan.  The downside is being more limited on audio streaming back using hardware I/O.  But the upside is that is very stable.  I've been running an older i7 slave this way for years.  

This probably won't work for some, but it is an option, and one I know works well now. 

Posted on Wed, Oct 12 2022 10:14
by Sergievsky
Joined on Sat, Oct 08 2011, Posts 6

Originally Posted by: bdr Go to Quoted Post

are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.

AudioGridder is native. I haven't used it so I don't know how well it works, I still would prefer to stick with VEP. But I'm still not in AppleSilicon yet (but soon!) so I can wait, unlike some of you folks. Hopefully you find an alternative, even if its temporary.

Posted on Sat, Oct 15 2022 01:07
by manu_28410
Joined on Fri, Jun 08 2007, California, Posts 25

… Same here.

It really doesn't look good now — Cf. linked image — for a high-priced products company.

The demo I've been running lately on my brand new Mac Studio clearly presents pops and glitches when I run even a small session. Compare to other software and libs, that's awkward; but maybe not… if you add Rosetta to the equation.

Now every time I want to buy a VSL product, I'm very hesitant: for instance, I could be on the verge of jumping for MIR … but… Will I regret putting an extra 1K in this company in 6 months?

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Posted on Sat, Oct 15 2022 02:05
by loufeb
Joined on Wed, Oct 13 2010, Posts 2

Originally Posted by: Sergievsky Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: bdr Go to Quoted Post

are there any realistic alternatives?? The lack of urgency is intolerable.

AudioGridder is native. I haven't used it so I don't know how well it works, I still would prefer to stick with VEP. But I'm still not in AppleSilicon yet (but soon!) so I can wait, unlike some of you folks. Hopefully you find an alternative, even if its temporary.

I began exploring Audiogridder (silicon native) with Cubase Pro 12 today on a Mac Studio (M1 Max) as my DAW computer, and a 2013 Mac Pro and 2018 Mac Mini as farms. Audiogridder is working beautifully, with the added (and significant) bonus of letting me use effects (CPU-hungry reverbs etc) residing in the farms. There are several Youtube videos on the subject. Oh, and Audiogridder is available for free. As I've only now started exploring this avenue, my remarks reflect a very optimistic assessment, but nothing more, at least for the moment. Having said that, I have a project that can no longer wait, and VSL's schedule is a mystery, so I must move on to Audiogridder. I had hoped otherwise.

Posted on Sun, Oct 16 2022 19:44
by Dan Wool
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, San Francisco, Posts 36

Originally Posted by: manu_28410 Go to Quoted Post

… Same here.

It really doesn't look good now — Cf. linked image — for a high-priced products company.

The demo I've been running lately on my brand new Mac Studio clearly presents pops and glitches when I run even a small session. Compare to other software and libs, that's awkward; but maybe not… if you add Rosetta to the equation.

Now every time I want to buy a VSL product, I'm very hesitant: for instance, I could be on the verge of jumping for MIR … but… Will I regret putting an extra 1K in this company in 6 months?

What generated this list of what plugins are running AS native, or not, in your system?

Posted on Tue, Oct 18 2022 16:53
by cthurau_7268
Joined on Fri, Jul 09 2004, Posts 2

I fully agree and it makes me mad that they did not do until today, October 18th. Maybe they sell it to us as a Christmas Gift.

Posted on Tue, Oct 18 2022 22:16
by rockdude9k
Joined on Fri, Oct 05 2012, Posts 7

Wait, what did they do today?  I don't see a native version yet.

 

Also, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sound Toys (the slowest tech company in the world, lol), beat Vienna to the M1 Native punch.  VEP is now officially the last plugin I own that is not M1 Native.

Posted on Wed, Oct 19 2022 05:48
by bdr
Joined on Sat, Nov 20 2004, Melbourne Australia, Posts 5

Originally Posted by: Dan Wool Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: manu_28410 Go to Quoted Post

… Same here.

It really doesn't look good now — Cf. linked image — for a high-priced products company.

The demo I've been running lately on my brand new Mac Studio clearly presents pops and glitches when I run even a small session. Compare to other software and libs, that's awkward; but maybe not… if you add Rosetta to the equation.

Now every time I want to buy a VSL product, I'm very hesitant: for instance, I could be on the verge of jumping for MIR … but… Will I regret putting an extra 1K in this company in 6 months?

What generated this list of what plugins are running AS native, or not, in your system?

 

I came across this today and remembered where I first saw it...

https://github.com/DigiDNA/Silicon

Posted on Wed, Oct 19 2022 17:30
by Dan Wool
Joined on Wed, Jun 17 2015, San Francisco, Posts 36

Originally Posted by: bdr Go to Quoted Post
I came across this today and remembered where I first saw it...

https://github.com/DigiDNA/Silicon

Oh, cool. Thanks for that!

Posted on Thu, Oct 20 2022 02:16
by Davka
Joined on Fri, Aug 10 2018, Mongolia, Posts 14
Originally Posted by: rockdude9k Go to Quoted Post
Wait, what did they do today? I don't see a native version yet.

Also, and I can't believe I'm saying this, but Sound Toys (the slowest tech company in the world, lol), beat Vienna to the M1 Native punch. VEPis now officially the last pluginI own that is not M1 Native.


Please inform us VSL Team.
It's almost 2 years since m1 machines released.
G.Davaakhuu
Posted on Thu, Oct 20 2022 14:23
by Ben
Joined on Sat, Mar 06 2021, Los Angeles, Posts 126

Hi there!

We are currently in the process of finishing and testing Apple Silicon compatibility for our software.
We can't announce an ETA yet, but we'll let you know as soon as we are confident everything works as expected.

Best, Ben

Ben @VSL
Posted on Thu, Oct 20 2022 17:23
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 98

Originally Posted by: Ben Go to Quoted Post

Hi there!

We are currently in the process of finishing and testing Apple Silicon compatibility for our software.
We can't announce an ETA yet, but we'll let you know as soon as we are confident everything works as expected.

Best, Ben

 

Thanks for the update!

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 12
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Comp 3: Mac air M1
Posted on Thu, Oct 20 2022 23:54
by evang42
Joined on Fri, Apr 08 2011, Posts 32

Hi Ben, this update is seriously appreciated!  Thanks!  Good luck to the entire team.  Wishing for a speedy and smooth transition to AS Native!

Cheers,
Evan

Posted on Fri, Oct 21 2022 21:14
by Adia
Joined on Sat, Feb 06 2016, Posts 140

This is indeed great to hear. A lot of my setups are in VEP and I can use Logic in Rosetta only on my MacStudio Ultra because of your uncompatibile plugins.  I hope it will be out soon.

Posted on Mon, Oct 24 2022 10:04
by Louis C
Joined on Fri, Sep 22 2017, Posts 43

..... that's great news that it's 'imminent'.

I wonder what performance gains might be expected ?

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