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MIRx Synchron - update coming?
Last post Sun, Jan 17 2021 by Rasmus Faber, 22 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Jan 09 2021 09:32
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

I am happy to get the Synchron Stage MIRx settings, but some things seem a little off. Somehow it feels like the product isn't quite "finished", at least not compared to The Sage.

Am I missing something here? Just some examples below, but I've come across a few more irregularities like this:

Sage One: MIRx General purpose: A broad stereo configuration with lots of placement options in the MIRx presets; Ensemble front, rear, left, right etc.

Syncron MIRx General Purpose: A single mic to the upper left, quite an unusable setting, and in the MIx Presets menu on that preset there's a bunch of Orchestra rows, which all have a checkmark. 

In Synchron Stage, when selecting the different Dimension Strings Violin solo players, you get a bunch of players, oddly positioned with their back facing the mics. 

Posted on Sat, Jan 09 2021 12:59
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Hi Rasmus,

Originally Posted by: Rasmus Faber Go to Quoted Post
In Synchron Stage, when selecting the different Dimension Strings Violin solo players, you get a bunch of players, oddly positioned with their back facing the mics.

Well - does it sound bad? ;-) Don't judge the visual parameters and what "looks" right. This was done on purpose for most 2nd Violins in the "classic" MIRx portrait-setup of SSV (and other MIRx-Venues, too), because it adds to the impression of "different" instruments on the right side. Apart from that, the instruments of the 2nd Violin section will point to the opposite direction of the 1st Violins when seated like that in a real hall, too.

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Syncron MIRx General Purpose: A single mic to the upper left, quite an unusable setting, and in the MIx Presets menu on that preset there's a bunch of Orchestra rows, which all have a checkmark.

I can't say what went wrong in your example, but it should look like this (see screenshot):

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Posted on Sat, Jan 09 2021 15:23
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

 

Re the violins: I hadn't anticipated that it was on purpose! Because the Sage ones looks very orderly. However, I'm not sure if its correct. This is how it is for me, the Dimension Violin 1
P1 Solo: Normal placement left side
P2 Solo: Backwards, right side
P3 Solo: Backwards, right side
P4 Solo: Normal placement left side
P5 Solo: Normal placement left side
P6 Solo: Normal placement left side
P7 Solo: very far placement left side, behind the mics
P8 Solo: backwards very far out to the right.

This seems a little weird no? And for the General Purpose, I dont have what is in your screen shot at all, I attached a screen shot of what it looks like for me. Perhaps I need to re-install the presets or something?

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Posted on Sat, Jan 09 2021 15:48
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

Ok, plot thickens. Turns out that when I flip MIRx settings to Stage A Wide, then things seems to be normal! I'm getting all the options for the General Purpose mic, and the strings are in proper position.

So something is broken with my Stage A presets, but not the A Wide ones, it seems..

Posted on Sat, Jan 09 2021 18:06
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

I can reproduce the issue regarding the General Purpose settings for MIRx SSV Portrait. It seems as something went wrong during the actual implementation of my presets. Sorry for the confusion - I'll ask VSL's software engineers to look into it.

... I can't say that anything is wrong with the Dimension Violin presets, though. Everything behaves as expected here as soon as the MIRx settings are assigned properly.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Jan 09 2021 18:20
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

PS: See screenshot! :-)

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Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 10:51
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

Yes, I realized the issue with the Dimension Violins, as well as a bunch of other presets, is that the default setting is flipped. So that when you load the P1 solo, the Orchestra I slot is the first one, and thus the one selected. But when loading P2 Solo the order is reversed (see screenshot), thus Orchestra II setting is loaded. That explains the randomness with the different players.

Same goes for other presets, like when loading Strings-Violin it defaults to I Solo first chair, but when loading Strings-Violin sord it defaults to Solo center warm. 

Do you see this on your side?

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Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 10:56
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

PS, the issue with the flipped presets is present in both Portrait and Wide, unlike the General Purpose issue, which is only in Portrait, it is however not behaving like that when I select any other venue, like The Sage or Teldex

Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 11:23
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

As far as I can say this is mainly a incoherence in the listing of the presets. I already made VSL's software engineers aware of the issue, but I didn't get an answer from them up to now. Shouldn't be too hard to fix.

And Re: 2nd Violins seemingly pointing "away" from the Main Mic: This has been done on purpose, really. :-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 12:15
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

I understand re the 2nd violins, it was just hard to spot this before you told me. Aside from fixing the issue with the mixed up presets, may I give a suggestion to add Violin 2 variations to the root in the preset folders, so that you could chose V1, V2, VA, Cello, Bass, from the same menu, rather than going into to the menu again and selecting I or II (even though V1 and V2 are just variations of the same, it would still seem more elegant in the menu and save some mouse clicks, in my opinion)

Yep, even though technically you of course have access to the accurate presets, knowing that there is consistency in selecting the instruments/presets is quite important, so that we don't have to double check every time. So a fix would be great! And, the General Purpose is pretty key for hybrid mixing so that would be awesome to get fixed in SSV Portrait!

Out of interest, what is your personal view of SSV Wide vs Portrait? When I bought it I was just about to start a project, so I made some quick tests and felt Portrait sounded more natural to my ears, but I didn't really do extensive testing. If you have some thoughts to share that'd be really interesting!

Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 13:12
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Originally Posted by: Rasmus Faber Go to Quoted Post
[...] the General Purpose is pretty key for hybrid mixing so that would be awesome to get fixed in SSV Portrait!

For now: Just grab the Icon with the existing GP-profile, adjust its Width and move it to any other desired position on the Venue's stage. The result will be more or less the same as the setting I created for MIRx (minus the Character EQ), or actually even more specific. :-)

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Out of interest, what is your personal view of SSV Wide vs Portrait? When I bought it I was just about to start a project, so I made some quick tests and felt Portrait sounded more natural to my ears, but I didn't really do extensive testing. If you have some thoughts to share that'd be really interesting!

They follow different ideas, obviously. "Portrait" is the classical MIRx setup, in any sense of the word: Lots of room, long reverb and an explicit sense of depth. "Wide" adheres to the "Synchronized" approach with more direct, in-your-face instruments, less reverb and a clear focus on width rather than depth. The former would be my choice for pure orchestral pieces, while the latter lends itself clearly to the popular "hybrid orchestral" arrangements.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 16:15
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

Very cool! I'll definitely make some new listening sessions with that in mind!

Posted on Mon, Jan 11 2021 19:05
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

FYI: VSL software engineers are already looking into the naming/sorting issue. 

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 07:59
by lupine
Joined on Sun, Feb 14 2016, Posts 55

Hello Dietz,

it seems Synchron MIRx preset for Chamber Basses doesn't work properly.
Please take a look at the attached screenshot: the instruments position doesn't change, such as character, equalizer and so on, and the MIRx settings window doesn't contain any preset for it.
Can you help me?

Thanks

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Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 09:17
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Thanks for the hint! That's a known issue which will be fixed with the upcoming release of MIRx SSV.

All the best,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 10:09
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

Is there a graphics update coming to MIR standalone? I didn't realize how much better MIR Pro looks within VEP, when I checked lupine's screenshot above. Here's a screenshot from me for comparison.. 

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Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 10:23
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Looks good for me ...?

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 10:33
by Rasmus Faber
Joined on Mon, Jul 16 2007, Stockholm, Sweden, Posts 70

Haha, well..... Having non-pixelated, retina-style text seems like the way to go these days. Also the issue becomes a bit more apparent in the attached screen shot, using the resolution of my 4k screen :)

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Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 13:38
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7729

Well, I don't get it, obviously. 8-/

The latest screenshot looks good here, too, although on an old, non-retina MacBook.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jan 15 2021 16:33
by lupine
Joined on Sun, Feb 14 2016, Posts 55

I suppose Rasmus Faber refers to the GUI elements which in MIR standalone show up with the old VE 5 graphics, while within VE Pro 7 they come in the full renewed graphics of VE 6 

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