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Last post Sun, Sep 19 2021 by Paul, 73 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Sep 06 2021 03:52
by David B.
Joined on Tue, May 15 2018, Posts 72

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Paul:

I'd just like to re-iterate how useful it would be to have a third option to have iLok locally on each computer therefore not requiring a dongle OR an internet connection.

I currently use iLok with VI Lab's piano software and it doesn't require a constant internet connection or dongle. You need an internet connection to initially download the license and then after that the software runs on the computer even if it's not connected to the internet. 

I'm sure iLok will work the same way with VSL software. 

God Bless,

David

Posted on Mon, Sep 06 2021 14:21
by Ben
Joined on Sat, Mar 06 2021, Los Angeles, Posts 88

Originally Posted by: David B. Go to Quoted Post

I currently use iLok with VI Lab's piano software and it doesn't require a constant internet connection or dongle. You need an internet connection to initially download the license and then after that the software runs on the computer even if it's not connected to the internet. 

I'm sure iLok will work the same way with VSL software. 

You will need an iLok USB-key or an internet connection when using iLok Cloud. Machine activation will not be available for our products.

Best, Ben

Ben @VSL
Posted on Mon, Sep 06 2021 15:50
by JBuck
Joined on Sun, Jun 09 2019, Posts 16

I'm thinking maybe VSL should outline this whole thing and associated costs to the customer in a detailed email and send it to everyone who is currently a VSL customer. It's giving me the willies.

What happens if I leave the eLicencer plugged in as it also contains my Cubase licence?

Do I delete all the VSL licences in the eLicencer before or after the iLok is inserted?

So what, we have to buy another 20+Euro dongle, wait 2 Covid weeks (4 weeks) for it to arrive, request from VSL all our licences, wait for them to be delivered, copy paste the activation codes into the iLok manager all this while thousands of people are simultaneously doing the same. I hope you guys are hiring a 100 more staff and servers to deal with the immense amount of traffic. Not stoked.

Posted on Mon, Sep 06 2021 18:56
by Ben
Joined on Sat, Mar 06 2021, Los Angeles, Posts 88

Hi JBuck,

No need to worry, we are already working on all points you mentioned, and make the migration as comfortable as possible.
Your Cubase license will be fine, and there will be no need deleting licenses from the eLicenser.

Best, Ben

Ben @VSL
Posted on Tue, Sep 07 2021 09:52
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 341

"You will need an iLok USB-key or an internet connection when using iLok Cloud. Machine activation will not be available for our products."

Thanks for that crucial info, Ben. It makes a huge difference for me.

While doing serious work with Logic + VEP + VSL instruments I disconnect from Internet. That's because I don't want Internet jibber-jabber triggering any new and possibly hefty processes in my system while I need every last ounce of my CPU power to be focused on the work I'm doing; and I do like to be free of all distractions while working (not to mention concerns about commercial snoopers gathering usage and who knows what other data).

So now it's looking like I'll have to go for the iLok USB dongle key option, continue to have one of my USB ports tied up, and continue to worry about the disruption if that thing fails.

In short, no benefit for cases like mine; just an awful lot of work to switch over to the new scheme.

Ah well. C'est la bloody vie.

Posted on Wed, Sep 08 2021 12:35
by slobajudge
Joined on Tue, Mar 24 2015, Posts 7

Whether the Ilok implementation has started ?

Posted on Wed, Sep 08 2021 15:02
by David B.
Joined on Tue, May 15 2018, Posts 72

Originally Posted by: Ben Go to Quoted Post
You will need an iLok USB-key or an internet connection when using iLok Cloud. Machine activation will not be available for our products.

Best, Ben

That's not good. Is machine activation more susceptible to misuse?

So, without a constant internet connection a person is simply going from one dongle (eLicenser) to another (iLok). The dongle seems to be one of the reasons why people don't want to buy VSL products and you really haven't addressed that since a constant internet connection will seemingly be irritating to people. I'm not sure if it will be comparably irritating, but I'm sure it will be irritating to some none the less. 

It doesn't impact me because I'm not bothered by the dongle, but it makes it difficult to be an ambassador for your products because most people don't share my opinion when it comes to dongles.

Thanks for the clarification.

God Bless,

David 

Posted on Sat, Sep 11 2021 03:34
by JBuck
Joined on Sun, Jun 09 2019, Posts 16

I am still not stoked that I have to buy another dongle $$$. Not stoked at all. VSL should be selling these at a reduced price. They are not cheap. We the users are not benefitting from this move in the slightest. 46 euros is an expense that VSL should cover as it was not mentioned in any fine print anywhere that VSL reserves the right to change the entire licencing system at the expense and inconvenience of the customer with no actual benefit to the customer at all. Not stoked!.

Why no machine licencing. Why change at all? One dongle to another dongle is hardly progressing. I know I will get a reply saying "everything is going to be alright, don't worry we have it sorted". But do VSL have 46 euros they are willing to part with on my behalf and the rest of the VSL customers?. iLok are going to make an enormous amount of money out of this deal and we the users get shafted for 46 euros.

Posted on Sat, Sep 11 2021 13:04
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 341

In the absence of detailed info on the topic, I'd tentatively guessed that this upcoming migration to a different licensing security system by both Steinberg and VSL was being driven entirely by Steinberg's new and rather secret strategy.

That is, until I found this little snippet in Steinberg's forum, dated May this year:

https://forums.steinberg.net/t/migration-from-elicenser-to-ilok/718648

So now it appears - please correct me if I'm wrong, VSL - that Steinberg and VSL are each going in their own direction on this matter.

And looking more broadly at opinions from user perspectives, I found this decent opinion-editorial by MusicTech sums it up nicely - for me at least:

https://www.musictech.net/features/opinion-analysis/steinberg-elicenser-whats-next/ 

So now I'm really puzzled by VSL's strategy of offering either iLok dongle or iLok Cloud but no machine activation. Much earlier in this thread, my take on VSL's move away from a dongle key was that it bodes well for VSL's future business. But now I'm not so sure about that - and I find it a bit depresssing. I'm certain I'm not alone in wanting VSL's customer base to keep expanding, since that can mean big benefits for both VSL and users. And I'd wager a substantial amount (indeed I'd probably bet the farm) that if we were able to poll a huge number of music tech users on their feelings about any dongle key, the majority would give it the thumbs down.

As for the idea of continuous Internet connection being required, I'm aware of the trend of ever more pushy and absurdly hyper-ambitious IT-centric corporations trying to "catheterise" the web into ever more punters (especially as we see happening in China). That's just another nasty, underhanded, slippery slope, and I don't believe they'll succeed in the long term. What may appear now as an unobtrusive and ever so helpful litle 'web catheter', might well eventually become more and more like 'enteral feeding' - somewhat like TV before Internet came to the rescue. But nowadays, fortunately, we've had Edward Snowden and others alerting us to the cynical, sociopathic, dark side of the web. Public resistance to the sly, underhand tricks will at some point become gigantic - perhaps even including colossal crowds with pitchforks and flaming torches turning up at various IT corporate HQs, lol. (Storming of the Bastille in 1789 was a weird historical glitch, out of the blue, right? Lolol.).

I don't see VSL as an IT-centric company at all; so why would they adopt the idea of the 'web catheter'? Who convinced them that that crock is a good idea and the way to go?

Posted on Sat, Sep 11 2021 17:59
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 783
Unless we hear otherwise, I don’t think iLok makes any better advantage for us and vsl continues to support elicensor dongles for a while so i see no pressing urgency to convert to iLok. ILok cloud is the only new advantage if you are willing to use that instead of hardware dongle. The cloud option is safer then dongle insomuch that vsl insurance or iLok zero downtime will not be mandatory to protect yourself from the danger of your dongle being lost or destroyed. A vsl-imposed danger, but a danger no less.

I suspect that a large number of vsl users will choose this option to avoid paying for dongle insurance

Posted on Fri, Sep 17 2021 17:57
by LPA
Joined on Mon, Sep 13 2021, Posts 3
Hello! I'm considering buying my first VSL library but honestly the physical dingle is keeping me from it. Is it already possible to use VSL products without having to wait for a dongle in the mail or has it not been implemented yet?
Posted on Fri, Sep 17 2021 22:50
by murphy761
Joined on Fri, May 01 2015, USA, Posts 59

Being a user of Avid, Slate Drums, and UVI, I will prefer using the existing "zero downtime" service rather than paying for two different "protection" systems. Even though that I'll end up throwing out 4 eLicensers.

Though I do wish that there was an option for machine activation (like Adobe, DxO, CCC, Waves, etc.) -maybe there are piracy issues with this type of licensing. IDK...

murphy761
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Posted on Sun, Sep 19 2021 15:28
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 12789

Hello LPA, 

There is currently no way to use our products without a physical key, but that will change with the transition to iLok and the iLok cloud. 

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
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