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Last post Wed, Jan 26 2022 by CZL, 165 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Dec 18 2021 18:51
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: clruwe Go to Quoted Post

Right, so the cloud is not very useful then... Especially on WiFi.

Cloud anything is not useful or reliable

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Sat, Dec 18 2021 18:55
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: Ben Go to Quoted Post

I have not yet tested it on my notebook, but to my knowledge you have a certan grace-time until you need to reconnect to the internet. You will get a warning as soon as the connection is lost, and this should give you enough time to save everything and fix your connection.

A lot depends on how often the cloud gets checked/polled. I know it's barely a matter of seconds when I've tried it and PT dies. Nowheres near enough time to save. That was just a test to see what would happen. This is from home base and I'm just 10 feet from my router.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 22:49
by Lionberg
Joined on Sat, Mar 07 2015, Posts 31

If user does not have ilok usb device, would you provide for those who own VEP6 with old eLicenser for free?

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 22:57
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: Lionberg Go to Quoted Post

If user does not have ilok usb device, would you provide for those who own VEP6 with old eLicenser for free?

I doubt it. Why not just buy an iLok? There's a lot of programs that use iLok and sooner or later you're going to need one. Besides - which eLicenser are you asking about - the s/w one or the hardware one? VEPro needs to see the hardware dongle and won't work with the s/w version as I recall.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Fri, Jan 14 2022 12:35
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13011

Hello Lionberg, 

VE Pro 6 will not be available for iLok at all. There will be great upgrade options to VE Pro 7!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 16:46
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 87

It seems to me that the whole point of this move is to get away from hardware licensers. I use Cubase and it will soon be rid of it's elicenser which is great for me as I have a new Macbook Air M1. If I have to have a dongle I might as well use the elicenser(s) I already have!

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 16:58
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

It seems to me that the whole point of this move is to get away from hardware licensers. I use Cubase and it will soon be rid of it's elicenser which is great for me as I have a new Macbook Air M1. If I have to have a dongle I might as well use the elicenser(s) I already have!

Don't know where you got that idea of this move is getting away from hardware dongles. Why Steinberg is dropping it's dongle - I have no idea. I'd rather have a dongle than a machine license or a cloud license. The cloud is not reliable and it means you have to have your daw computer online. Most studios don't allow their machines online. And a machine license restricts you from easily moving your asset to another machine - again the computers would have to be online.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 20:02
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

The cloud is not reliable and it means you have to have your daw computer online. Most studios don't allow their machines online. And a machine license restricts you from easily moving your asset to another machine - again the computers would have to be online.

 

I've used machine licenses for years and they have been just fine.

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 20:24
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

The cloud is not reliable and it means you have to have your daw computer online. Most studios don't allow their machines online. And a machine license restricts you from easily moving your asset to another machine - again the computers would have to be online.

 

I've used machine licenses for years and they have been just fine.

Had it happen where if I make a change in my system the machine license goes south. Besides if you want to use a licensed plugin that has a machine license on another machine you've got all kinds of hoops to jump through. Not so with an iLok or Vienna Key.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 21:20
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

 Besides if you want to use a licensed plugin that has a machine license on another machine you've got all kinds of hoops to jump through. Not so with an iLok or Vienna Key.

 

No hoops at all! I have 3 VEP licenses using 3 dongles on three computers. Three machine licenses would be so much better! I've machine licensed hundreds of plugins and never had a problem.

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 21:49
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

 Besides if you want to use a licensed plugin that has a machine license on another machine you've got all kinds of hoops to jump through. Not so with an iLok or Vienna Key.

 

No hoops at all! I have 3 VEP licenses using 3 dongles on three computers. Three machine licenses would be so much better! I've machine licensed hundreds of plugins and never had a problem.

With a dongle you can take your license anywheres to any machine in any studio.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Mon, Jan 17 2022 22:20
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 87

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

 

With a dongle you can take your license anywheres to any machine in any studio.

 

Why on earth would you want to?

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Tue, Jan 18 2022 03:21
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: musicman691 Go to Quoted Post

 

With a dongle you can take your license anywheres to any machine in any studio.

 

Why on earth would you want to?

I gather you've never worked in in a studio other than you're own right? Been there/done that and not everyone has the same things you work with. Not all licenses are site-wide but only good for one person. And if I need to go to a backup machine having the license on a dongle makes it super easy. I guess you've never had a system take a dump on you.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Wed, Jan 19 2022 18:38
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 87

 

I gather you've never worked in in a studio other than you're own right? Been there/done that and not everyone has the same things you work with. Not all licenses are site-wide but only good for one person. And if I need to go to a backup machine having the license on a dongle makes it super easy. I guess you've never had a system take a dump on you.

I've worked in lots of other studios but not one that had VEP installed and didn't have a dongle!

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Wed, Jan 19 2022 20:46
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

 

I gather you've never worked in in a studio other than you're own right? Been there/done that and not everyone has the same things you work with. Not all licenses are site-wide but only good for one person. And if I need to go to a backup machine having the license on a dongle makes it super easy. I guess you've never had a system take a dump on you.

I've worked in lots of other studios but not one that had VEP installed and didn't have a dongle!

It may not be legit to use the studio's dongle - not sure that VSL grants site licenses.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Sat, Jan 22 2022 19:05
by beatpete
Joined on Thu, Oct 01 2009, Posts 87

 

It may not be legit to use the studio's dongle - not sure that VSL grants site licenses.

I'm not sure what that means but it's all moot because VSL is not going to have computer licenses anyway.

We either have to have a dongle or be connected 24/7 to the internet.

Comp1: Windows 10 64 bit,AMD 3950x 32 core, 64gb ram,, Radeon HD5450 graphics, RME Digiface, Steinberg UR824 and MR816x (X2)
(connected to Digiface), Cubase 10.5 64bit
Comp 2: Windows 7 64bit, I5 3450,32 gb ram, VEPro 7
Posted on Sat, Jan 22 2022 19:37
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: beatpete Go to Quoted Post

 

It may not be legit to use the studio's dongle - not sure that VSL grants site licenses.

I'm not sure what that means but it's all moot because VSL is not going to have computer licenses anyway.

We either have to have a dongle or be connected 24/7 to the internet.

I never mentioned computer licenses. Strictly talking about dongles. And 24/7 connection to the net isn't going to happen unless VSL allows iLok Cloud. That's iffy at best and depends on a studio having it's machine online all the time.

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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Posted on Sat, Jan 22 2022 21:56
by CZL
Joined on Tue, Sep 24 2019, Posts 5

Hi,
I'm considering to buy the voice complete, but I have an apple silicon computer. 
I had a long and bad experience with the elicenser, and it's no longer working on m1 (not sad)
But I don't want to spend money on something I can't use until ...

Any idea of the release of Ilok authorization ? (I guess this a question that all user in the forum are wondering)

Posted on Mon, Jan 24 2022 10:53
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13011

Hi, 

We will announce the transition to iLok as soon as everything is ready and tested. 

Here and via newsletter!

Best, 
Paul

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jan 24 2022 11:40
by musicman691
Joined on Sun, Nov 18 2012, Sopranos State - New Jersey, Posts 164

Originally Posted by: Charles-Zoltan de Leissè Go to Quoted Post

Hi,
I'm considering to buy the voice complete, but I have an apple silicon computer. 
I had a long and bad experience with the elicenser, and it's no longer working on m1 (not sad)
But I don't want to spend money on something I can't use until ...

Any idea of the release of Ilok authorization ? (I guess this a question that all user in the forum are wondering)

Won't the elicenser s/w run in Rosetta 2?

Jack
PT 2021.6 on OSX 10.13.6
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