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Posted on Thu, Apr 08 2021 10:26
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 287

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

I'm not even sure what if anything they could change in VIPro, if they had unlimited resources to do that, which they don't.  But what exactly?  Yea I'd like to see something like the Synchron mixer in VIPro maybe, but honestly....I don't really need it.  

I think it's already the best sample player, but there is always room for more. I have ideas and wishes, some are rather special, but would bring VI Pro even more forward.

  • More Retina options (e.g. 150%)
  • Real auto-divisi (I don't mind some latency)
  • Controller: Ability to reverse A/B patches (change the order)
  • Controller: Note duration (in addition to speed)
  • Controller: Improved interval map (which differentiates between first note and repetition)
  • Ability to define threshold, i.e. start and end point, of controllers (as in the Synchron Player)

And some more I don't remember at the moment. :P

Posted on Thu, Apr 08 2021 10:29
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 287

Originally Posted by: Dewdman42 Go to Quoted Post

I think its probably a mistake to label VI instruments as "Legacy".  Have VSL done so?  If they did, don't take the word to mean the wrong thing.  "Legacy" could mean "discontinued" to one person and "classic" to another.  

They are still actively sold.  They still represent today the best full orchestral package on the market today with the most instruments, articulations, quality of programming and software support.  I don't see that ending any time soon.  Even somewhat recently VSL updated VI player for HiDPI, so its not like they are cutting it off from support.

I don't know, but it's just a feeling I have that the VI libraries are not sold enough anymore, just because there isn't much talk and "love" in forums. And again: the reduced prices. Maybe I'm totally wrong.

Posted on Thu, Apr 08 2021 12:38
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 160

Yes, we need more Dimension Strings libraries. As far as I am concerned volume IV should complete the range of sul ponticello articulations as well as espressivo patches and legato harmonics, which are not available, yet in any of the string libraries. But, it is not so important in which order the different playing techniques are released as long as they continue to extend these libraries.

Pixelpoet, what do you mean by "real auto divisi"? Selecting how many players shall play a note and VI pro automatically distributing all voices among the different players, works already perfectly in VI pro with the Dimension libraries. Yet, I second all your other suggestions.

Posted on Thu, Apr 08 2021 14:45
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 287

Originally Posted by: Kai Go to Quoted Post

Pixelpoet, what do you mean by "real auto divisi"? Selecting how many players shall play a note and VI pro automatically distributing all voices among the different players, works already perfectly in VI pro with the Dimension libraries. Yet, I second all your other suggestions.

Yes, but it's not "auto". I want it to change automatically (= no key-switching) between tutti and divisi – like in Audiobro's LA Scoring Strings, or Divisimate. I know this introduces latency (and this has been the reason against it back then), but it would really be a great feature.

Example of what I mean with four Dimension Horns:

  • If I play one note, all horns play together.
  • If I play four notes, each horn plays one note.
  • If I play two or three notes, the notes are distributed across the horns. (Okay, this has to be either automatically assigned or user-definable.)
Posted on Thu, Apr 08 2021 19:09
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 657

My wish, or request if you will, would be that VSL would continue to expand their offering of articulations and playability in Dry sample format.  It is less important to me whether its in the VIPro player or Synchron player, though I do still prefer VIPro player for now...but what is more important to me is that they continue to create dry stage recordings of improved samples, articulations, captured player nuance, etc...but without the Synchron room baked in.  

The New Elite Strings is a good example.  It looks like a terrific addition to the Synchron series...and the demos sound gorgeous, If I were doing the multi-mic Synchron approach, I would have already bought it this morning when it was released.  But in addition to being captured on the Synchron sound stage...they claim to have also improved other aspects...the actual performance by elite players,  etc..  Improvements in the playability of the instrument and ability to quickly create captivating musical phrases.  Which sounds really really good in the demos.  These things they have learned to do better over the years, I would like to see also released in dry sample format.  That is still the approach I prefer to use, and myself am passing on all Synchron multi-mic products from VSL. It could be down the road I will decide I need to have all the Synchron stuff and will suddenly spend thousands to have it all, but for now, I'm committed to the dry stage + MirPro approach.  So I hope that VSL will continue to deliver dry-stage expansions on the VI or synchronized line.

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Catalina on OpenCore, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Thu, Apr 08 2021 19:15
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 160

Oh, I see. Yes, this would be convenient (if there are no adverse latency or performance effects) . But it would be great if this could be implemented in a similar way to the current Auto-Voicing, so that it is flexible enough to still be able to control how many players are used, instead of a fully automatic algorithm that always keeps all players busy.

However, the present Auto Voicing in VI pro is already the big improvement, compared to e.g. the Synchron Player, since it allows the user to keep the entire section on a single track and conveniently realize arbitrary divisi. For me it is not such a big deal to send a single additional control event at the beginning of a divisi passage, that selects how many players are used per note, when otherwise everything is handled completely automatically.

Posted on Fri, Apr 09 2021 01:49
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Park City, Utah, Posts 657

(deleted, never mind dumb idea)

5,1 MacPro 12core X 3.46ghz, 128gb ram, RX580 video, OSX Catalina on OpenCore, VSL (almost everything), LogicPro, Cubase10, StudioOne, DP9, Reaper, Dorico, Finale, MuseScore, Notion6, EW Hollywood Orch, Kirk Hunter, GPO, much more..
Posted on Fri, Apr 09 2021 02:01
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5604

The dry sample format - you're right, that is what makes VI so valuable.  I've never used that auto divisi since I always wanted to control each player, but agree  it is a good feature - that is actually like a sample library that never made it, DVZ Strings.  It is interesting how Dimension Strings actually did what those guys were trying to do but went way beyond with the simultaneous performance/individual miking as well as hugely more samples about a decade later.      

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