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Last post Mon, Jul 05 2021 by Seventh Sam, 30 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Jun 30 2021 18:27
by Pixelpoet1985
Joined on Fri, Dec 23 2016, Germany, Posts 304

I haven't understood a single word, but I'm looking forward to it nevertheless, haha. XD

Posted on Wed, Jun 30 2021 18:59
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 710

Dietz,

Is there any reason to feel that this 3rd order ambisonic tech will create more "depth" accuracy even while just using stereo results?  

Posted on Wed, Jun 30 2021 21:16
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7681

Depending on the chosen decoding method the difference ranges from "subtle" to "dramatic", even in stereo. :-) It's not so much about "depth" per se, more about enveloping and also about decorrelation.

... but then, MIR 3D is not "just" about Higher Order Ambisonics and 3D audio, but also about new concepts of preset creation and management, and of course an overhauled GUI. :-) 

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Jun 30 2021 22:53
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 710
Any wait to hear it!
Posted on Thu, Jul 01 2021 05:12
by VirtualVirgin
Joined on Fri, Jul 20 2012, Posts 75

Thank you Dietz :)

 

Your answers are actually very similar to my speculation, so I feel on track with my conception of what you are up to.

I have been trying out various configurations for 3D audio, including Atmos and I am finding that when I import mixes to work on that use MIR pro as the anchor for all of the placement duties, I do not have an interest to pull it apart to upmix. The space sounds so good in stereo that upmixing techniques aren't quite satisfying and I hesitate to use any "tricks" on it. 

I will be happy to be first in line for the upgrade :)

Posted on Thu, Jul 01 2021 07:40
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7681

Originally Posted by: VirtualVirgin Go to Quoted Post
Thank you Dietz :)

You're very welcome!

If you do a lot of 3D audio work _now_, it's a tedious, but perfectly doable trick with certain Venues to bounce a wet-only second run of your mix with another Main Microphone, preferably one that was positioned higher than the first one. Especially the churches and chapels available in MIR's RoomPacks are a good choice for this workaround.

... MIR 3D will allow for direct use of Secondary Microphones in comparable setups, because then there are enough audio outputs available anyway.

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I will be happy to be first in line for the upgrade :)

That's good to hear! We'll do our best to meet your expectations. :-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sun, Jul 04 2021 11:57
by Amit Katzengold
Joined on Wed, Nov 11 2020, Posts 1

I'm also very much looking forward for this... and crossing my fingers the upgrade won't be expensive 

It may be soon to ask but if I upgrades to MIR 3D can I switch between it and pro(24) for different projects?

Also, in contrast I've been eyeing Spat revolution essentials and I'm wondering in terms of virtual space will MIR 3D also offer some kind of "neutral" space without much of a room\venue feel to it?

Posted on Sun, Jul 04 2021 14:39
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 267

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

Depending on the chosen decoding method the difference ranges from "subtle" to "dramatic", even in stereo. :-) It's not so much about "depth" per se, more about enveloping and also about decorrelation.

... but then, MIR 3D is not "just" about Higher Order Ambisonics and 3D audio, but also about new concepts of preset creation and management, and of course an overhauled GUI. :-) 

Dietz,

If you have the time and inclination, would you be willing to elaborate on what you mean by enveloping and decorrelation?  I think I have an idea of what you're talking about, but I'd love to hear more specifics on it so I can better understand all of this (and apply that knowledge in my own work).  

- Sam

Posted on Mon, Jul 05 2021 10:34
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7681

"Enveloping", "decorrelation" ... That's techno babble :-) for the feeling of being "surrounded by sound" (or in our case: by the room).

Some online-sources for further reading:

-> https://www.sweetwater.com/insync/decorrelation/

-> https://valhalladsp.com/2010/05/12/shimmer-modulation-auto-correlation-and-decorrelation/

-> https://www.jstor.org/stable/3680992

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Jul 05 2021 20:35
by Seventh Sam
Joined on Sat, Dec 29 2018, Posts 267

Thank you, Dietz.  Those links help me understand the concept better 

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