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"Safe" to use CC1 as Vel. XF in Synchron Strings Pro?
Last post Mon, May 24 2021 by PaoloT, 7 replies.
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Posted on Tue, May 18 2021 15:12
by Stig Christensen
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2005, Denmark, Posts 184

Hi

I'm trying to integrate the use of the Synchron Strings Pro and Synchron Strings Elite a little bit, and just want to hear if any of you have ran into problems trying to change the CC used for Vel. XF on the Pro to CC1?

Regards 

Stig Christensen MUSICMIND

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Posted on Tue, May 18 2021 15:18
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13352

Hi Stig, 

CC1 is already assigned to Vel XF by default in both Synchron Strings Pro and Synchron Elite Strings (apart from the "Velocity" preset in Synchron Elite Strings).... Hm, I'm confused. 

Best,
Paul

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Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, May 19 2021 01:07
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1942

Aside from the specific confusion, it isn't going to matter what number CC you set for a control. Originally CC was hardwired into synths, at the outset of the MIDI original protocol but in software this is true rather more rarely. All CCs are just CCs, continuous control. There are things which seem hard-wired as switches or toggles, like CC64 but that would be a DAW's handling or like that (Cubase used to force it in its piano roll display to reveal as on/off, now it does not).

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Posted on Wed, May 19 2021 08:55
by Stig Christensen
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2005, Denmark, Posts 184

Ah okay!

I thought it was the default patches I had loaded!

You are right of course!

Musicmind (Mind the Music!)
Mac Pro 6.1 64Gb, PC Slave 64gb, Mac Pro 12 48Gb, MacBookPro, Apollo interface, Universal Audio, Waves 9, NI Komplete 9, VSL, BFD3, Superior, Arturia, Sound Toys, Euphonix MC Mix, Neumann mics, DynAudio, Yamaha + Adam monitors AND Steinway Concert Grand A ;-)
Posted on Wed, May 19 2021 09:00
by Stig Christensen
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2005, Denmark, Posts 184

Hi

Yes I know that CC's are just CC's.

The problem is that I have, for a long time, used CC2 as VelXF and in the Synchron Strings FX this is the case, as the CC1 is used as an articulation switch.

So my asking was specific about any conflicts in the Synchron Strings Pro that could be the result if I would use CC1.

It's really easy to edit the Synchron Strings FX to do what I want.

Best Stig

Musicmind (Mind the Music!)
Mac Pro 6.1 64Gb, PC Slave 64gb, Mac Pro 12 48Gb, MacBookPro, Apollo interface, Universal Audio, Waves 9, NI Komplete 9, VSL, BFD3, Superior, Arturia, Sound Toys, Euphonix MC Mix, Neumann mics, DynAudio, Yamaha + Adam monitors AND Steinway Concert Grand A ;-)
Posted on Sun, May 23 2021 22:02
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1942

In VI Pro I tended to save CC1 for a vertical dimension change, no reason other than it was that as default.
So I didn't bother with it. At some point in Synchron development, they conformed to what most libraries do, CC1 for layers xfade. So I like mod wheel sometimes for the crossfade of slots in Synchron, sometimes for 'vel xf'.

I go to an established instance to copy   the controller page and paste to a new instance, it's not quite one size fits all here.

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Posted on Mon, May 24 2021 07:38
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1315

All my presets use CC for dynamic control. It is not just that all the other libraries use it, but also because the big modulation wheel is the longest-run and most accurate controller I have.

No problem if I want to use my TEControl breath controller(s), because they can also transmit CC1.

Paolo

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