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Posted on Sat, Jun 26 2021 22:45
by ade_5427
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, Posts 6

I'm sure I must be missing the obvious, but I cannot get both midi and audio to hit a given plugin. In this case, the synth produces both its own audio and can process external audio. I can get the routing working in both Cubase and Cantabile with the plugin hosted locally.  VEP gives me the option to run as an instrument, denying audio input, or as FX, denying midi.
What have I missed?

TIA

Posted on Mon, Jun 28 2021 00:14
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807

the instrument channel is not built to input audio at all.

you have to instantiate whatever it is as an effect.

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64GB 2667MHz DDR4
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VE Pro 7.1056, Cubase Pro 11.0.0
Posted on Mon, Jun 28 2021 00:17
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807

the effect instance does not deny MIDI per se, but it is not made to enter note-ons particularly

I have definitely controlled an effect via MIDI CC in the piano roll, same channel is a limitation unless you use channel = All, having dedicated one port to it. should work, unlike the above I have not done

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Posted on Mon, Jun 28 2021 08:40
by ade_5427
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, Posts 6

Thanks for your response @civilization 3.
I understand that parameter control via CCs is catered for in FX channels but, as you point out, note events are not.
Whether this is because such a requirement wasn't anticipated, or whether it's a technical limitation, I don't know.
In my particular scenario, an instrument like Cherry Audio's Voltage Modular which also processes incoming audio, can stress a CPU at low latency when it's loaded with modules. If there were a way to comprehensively handle both midi and audio at a VEP channel, it would be useful.

Cheers!

Posted on Wed, Jun 30 2021 10:21
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807

Particular DAWs also have the limitation; eg., REAPER does not, it does not make the distinction effect to instrument channel. I don't use it but this is a selling point for fans of it.

In Cubase an effect may be approached to effect this by a kind of back door using VST3 sidechain input if the plugin has that. I saw someone trying it in Studio One to no avail with a granular effect which can use note-ons but the version of it was not VST3, for instance, it's identical to Cubase's handling.

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Posted on Wed, Jun 30 2021 12:05
by ade_5427
Joined on Fri, Feb 27 2004, Posts 6

Hi,
Cubase doesn't necessarily require VST3 to achieve this. A plug in inserted, say, into a Group channel processes the audio, of course, while a Cubase midi track has the ability to address that Group channel, with the full compliment of midi data. Very easy. 

Posted on Thu, Jul 01 2021 22:56
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1807

I stand corrected! thank you, I never saw that before

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