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Posted on Tue, Jul 06 2021 13:09
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello!

We have made Dorico and Cubase Expression Maps and expanded our "VE SY Winds" Sibelius Sound Sets for our new Synchron Brass library. Registered users can download these settings in the MyVSL area under Notation related.
https://www.vsl.co.at/Notation_Related

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Jul 06 2021 14:57
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1058

Thanks Andi!

Is there hope that we'll get Dorico EMs for SYz Solo Strings and SYz Dim Strings some day?

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Posted on Wed, Jul 07 2021 06:01
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Bill!

There is always hope. ;-)

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 08 2021 10:06
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1189

Andi, thank you very much for the new maps!

With the strong support VSL is giving to Dorico and the new series, I'm starting to think that I don't need my own maps, and could only replace some CC (like Attack, Release and Filter) in your default presets. A lot of work saved!

Just out of curiosity: in your maps for Dorico you went for Dorico's Conditions to select the staccato type. Should we prefer Dorico's Conditions for note length, or is the Synchron Player Auto patches a more reliable way to automatically select articulations? Is there a difference in their behavior? Is the one more powerful/flexible than the other?

Paolo

Posted on Thu, Jul 08 2021 11:00
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Paolo!

Doricos note length parameter in the expression maps has the advantage that the durations (and articulation selection) are know in advance. The Auto-Speed option in the Synchron Player can only react to MIDI signals it gets. So the articulation selection is always based on the previous note.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 08 2021 13:01
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1189

Andi, thank you for explaining. Good to know! I hadn't considered the time dimension!

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Jul 19 2021 23:31
by DaveJ
Joined on Fri, May 25 2012, Posts 44

Hi Andi,

I am trying to switch between longs Regular and Con fortissimo with Sibelius. I have looked at the online manuals but cant find it. 

Thanks,

Dave

Posted on Tue, Jul 20 2021 06:19
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Dave!

The Sibelius sound set triggers the "con fortissimo" type of the long notes. There is no command to trigger the "regular" type. With Dorico or Sibelius in most cases you shouldn't need the regular type, because you can trigger the lower velocity layers anyway with dynamic marks. "Con fortissimo" just means that a fortissimo layer is included for high velocities.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Jul 20 2021 18:24
by DaveJ
Joined on Fri, May 25 2012, Posts 44

Ok Thanks Andi,

I am having some problems getting the trumpets (4 or 6) to switch properly.

I have a solo trumpet on one staff (using Trumpet in C, with sound set VE SY winds > trumpet) this works fine.

I then have 6 trumpets on another staff (using Trumpets in C a6, with sound set VE SY winds > trumpet ensemble). I can't get this to work. I then tried trumpets in C a3, still no luck.

The only way after some experimenting was using Trumpet in Bb for the 6 trumpets to switch correctly.

 

Thanks,

Dave

   

Posted on Wed, Jul 21 2021 08:20
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Dave!

All the Sibelius trumpet ensemble instruments that you have tried are working fine with the Synchron Brass trumpet ensembles here.

It can have different reasons why articulation changes don't work as expected or instruments play on the wrong channel. Did you go through the Troubleshooting section of "Sibelius Integration" tutorial yet? All possible reasons that come to my mind are listed there.
https://www.vsl.info/tutorials/guides/sibelius-integration/troubleshooting

If you can't find a solution there, please send the following screenshots and a reference to this forum thread to .
- Sibelius "Add or Remove Instruments" menu
- Sibelius mixer
- Sibelius Playback Devices menu
- Sibelius Manual Sound Sets page of all loaded devices
- Vienna Ensemble showing one of the instruments that doesn't work correctly

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Jul 29 2021 21:16
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1058

The Dorico Synchron Template isn't loading ensemble instruments properly. This is what I get. Manually loading works fine

Bill attached the following image(s):
SYBrass.png (16kb) downloaded 1 time(s).

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Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2021 08:08
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Bill!

Synchron Brass ensembles get loaded properly here. It seems to me that you have loaded a playback template that uses SYzd Special Edition Brass instruments. If the problem remains, please let me know, which playback template you have loaded exactly.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Fri, Jul 30 2021 17:03
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1058

Hi Andi,

I deleted all the SY template and installed fresh. Same problem with ensembles. Solo instruments are fine. I loaded the SY Brass Playback Template that looks like this:

Bill attached the following image(s):
SYU0020BrassU0020Template.png (14kb) downloaded 0 time(s).

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Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2021 07:31
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hi Bill!

I remember now. I have fixed this problem after the release of the playback template for Synchron Brass. The fix will be included in the next update, which hopefully will come soon. In the meantime, please manually load the correct preset in Synchron Player. Sorry for the inconvinience that this may have caused.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2021 12:58
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1058

Thanks Andi!

Will any of the 3 presets work?

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Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2021 13:18
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Bill!

I recommend using the Velocity version of the presets with Dorico (and Sibelius).

Best,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2021 17:31
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1058

Interesting. I would have assume one of the other two...

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Posted on Sat, Jul 31 2021 19:48
by PaoloT
Joined on Tue, Dec 27 2016, Posts 1189

Originally Posted by: andi Go to Quoted Post

I recommend using the Velocity version of the presets with Dorico (and Sibelius).

Hi Andi, is there a reason for this? I would have assumed the CC1 version would have been more versatile (and that's the configuration I’m currently using).

Paolo

Posted on Mon, Aug 02 2021 07:34
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hi Bill and Paolo!

The Dorico Expression Maps for Synchron Brass control dynamics via velocity and CC2. With the velocity presets loaded, you can have VelXF turned on or off. VelXF is assigned to CC2, so both settings will work. The VelXF presets have this fader assigned to CC1.

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Aug 03 2021 07:11
by andi
Joined on Wed, Feb 18 2004, Vienna, Posts 3452

Hello Bill!

There's a new version of the VSL for Dorico installer online. The Synchron Brass ensembles should now get loaded correctly with the corresponding playback templates.
https://www.vsl.co.at/Notation_Related

Best regards,
Andi

Andreas Olszewski
Vienna Symphonic Library
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