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Last post Tue, Mar 08 2022 by Psalmster, 21 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Dec 07 2021 06:28
by Psalmster
Joined on Mon, Jul 30 2018, Posts 29

Since Studio One has added their Sound Variations feature this past year, and has partnered with VSL for outstanding integration for articulation management -- I am wondering:

Who among you VSL users has moved to using Studio One as your primary DAW for composing and orchestrating? 

Samplitude has long been my main recording/editing/mixing/mastering DAW, but I don't love its limitations with VIs.  I spent a year in Logic land (with mixed feelings) and have picked up a license for Cubase Pro. I also have Reaper. While I have a 2016 MBP, my main powerhouse computers are Windows custom builds, so I can use far more RAM and horsepower via Windows. I've started using Studio One in recent weeks and am mostly impressed. The integration with VSL has caused me to purchase more VSL libraries (rather than investing further in Spitfire, 8DIO, or EW at the moment). 

But, I'm still a Newb here in the territory (or shall I say, a Resumer, after nearly 30 years away. And the whole composing world has changed since then.) 

Is Studio One becoming a composition DAW of choice, for those invested in VSL? Or still lagging in some important way(s)?

Many thanks in advance. 

Craig

Posted on Sun, Jan 02 2022 15:15
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 257

I did

I am pure amateur as well, but the sound variations are absolutely great so I recently switched from Cubase. (And I have some reaper experience as well)

I also enjoy the chord track and the follow chord option, however the Score Editor is way better in Cubase. I started to play around with notion but the integration between Studio One and Notion could need more love

Posted on Tue, Jan 11 2022 04:37
by Psalmster
Joined on Mon, Jul 30 2018, Posts 29

Thanks for the feedback!

Wondering if others have also made the switch to Studio One?

Posted on Tue, Jan 11 2022 14:46
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Washington (US State), Posts 439

Cubase has been my primary DAW for many years now, but last year when Studio One release 5.3 with Sound Variations automatically integrated with the Synchron Player I was interested, given that Cubase has not in recent years done much of anything to upgrade or add the features I cared about the most (one being the tedious user interface for expression maps). It was precisely the simultaneous crossgrade offer of about $200 that enticed me to leap. Without it I would not have done so.

I consider myself to be rowing a boat with two DAW oars for the present.

I doubt it would be accurate to say Studio One has become the DAW of choice for VSL users. But I would guess that the percentage of it's users, though smaller relative to Cubase and Logic, is definitely growing.

If you don't already, you could frequent the VI Control forum section labelled "Your DAW" to get a good feel for what new Studio One users think.

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Posted on Tue, Jan 11 2022 23:17
by Psalmster
Joined on Mon, Jul 30 2018, Posts 29

DaddyO --

Thanks for speaking in.

And for the VI link. I will check it out. 

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 11:37
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

Hello,

to those who already use the VSL in Studio One: does the Synchron Player integration indeed work automatically for you without installing anything or any prior setup, as described in the videos? I have tried it with both Synchron Strings 1 and pro and the Synchron player works otherwise fine in Studio One (sequences are played back normally), but there are no Sound Variations listed anywhere (the Sound Variations editor remains empty when I load a preset in the Synchron Player, the Sound Variation menu item does not appear in the context menu when control-clicking on a note, ...). I tried this with the most recent version 5.5. 

Is there anything I am missing?

Thanks for any help!

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 11:55
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 257

Hello Kai

For me this worked out of the box without any problem, and I just love it! (Best new feature since Cubase articulation maps)

Just to be on the safe side, you are not using VE in between?

All the Best

Gabriel

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 12:47
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

Hello Gabriel,

thanks for your quick feedback! That's really strange then, and I don't understand what is going on. Which Studio One version and system are you using?

Since you use Studio One, I have another question: I have been playing with the Sound Variations editor a bit myself (using VI libraries). This works fine, but it seems as far as score symbols are concerned, it is not possible to trigger Sound Variations based on several score symbols (e.g. staccato and con sordino symbols to obtain the con sordino staccato playing technique). Is this correct?

In Cubase Expression Maps there is no such restriction. Unfortunately, Cubase Expression Maps are otherwise pretty clumsy and limited compared to what e.g. Dorico offers by now.

Thanks and best regards

Kai

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 13:16
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 257

Hello Kai

I use Version 5.4.1 (might upgrade to 5.5 soon)

I don't use the score editor that much (after hours of work I am pretty happy with my Notion mapping). I played around with Notation symbols for few minutes right now, and it seems that every notation symbol can only be mapped once (So you can use staccato for whatever you want to, but then it is "used", so no con sordino in combination with legato, no staccato con sordino, ...)

All the best 

Gabriel

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 14:08
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

Hello Gabriel,

ok, maybe in this case the 5.5.0 update broke something there.

Thanks for the confirmation regarding the score. Good to hear that the combination of Studio One and Notion works well. I am hoping to finally be able to use a single Music Application for everything (so far I am going back and forth between Logic and Dorico ... which is rather inconvenient)., but in this case Studio One won't be the solution either.

Maybe the new Dorico 4 with its enhanced Midi-editing features, will do the trick (as far as there are no audio files involved in the project), because its notation and score playback features are unmatched.

Thanks again and all the best

Kai

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 16:06
by johngildersleeve_16932
Joined on Tue, Oct 11 2005, Posts 1

Hi Kai, sound variations for the VSL Syncron player in Studio One only work with :-

VST 2 version of the Syncron Player ( it will not work with VST 3 or AU versions) 

Need to be running Rosetta version of S1

Hopefully VSL developers are working on an AU version of the syncron player that can utilise both sound variations and enabling us to run S1 in native ( silicon ) mode.

John

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 16:55
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

Hello John,

thanks so much for your very helpful feedback, this explains it! I am ion a M1 Mac and in the Plug-In Manager S1 only shows the AU version. It is a pity that so many useful features don't work anymore with VST3. Let's hope for a native AU version that works then.

All the best

Kai

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 17:44
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

update: 

On Rosetta using VST3 (not VST2) it indeed works. It would be useful if VSL would add this info somewhere in the small print on the S1 page, since I am sure I am not the only one on an Apple-silicon Mac and I did not even know before how to (deliberately) run an App in Rosetta 😊 (which is surely also much slower).

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 18:47
by Psalmster
Joined on Mon, Jul 30 2018, Posts 29

Originally Posted by: Kai Go to Quoted Post

... it seems as far as score symbols are concerned, it is not possible to trigger Sound Variations based on several score symbols (e.g. staccato and con sordino symbols to obtain the con sordino staccato playing technique). Is this correct?

In Cubase Expression Maps there is no such restriction. Unfortunately, Cubase Expression Maps are otherwise pretty clumsy and limited compared to what e.g. Dorico offers by now.

Thanks and best regards

Kai

Are you saying that Steinberg's Expression Maps are somehow different (improved?) in Dorico as compared to Cubase?

Posted on Thu, Jan 13 2022 21:35
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

Yes, by far 😊. Aside from the fact that the Expression Map editor and the implementation of score symbols is a nightmare in Cubase, Dorico has several big advantages:

- in Cubase one can assign at most four different specifiers (like staccato, ...), simultaneously to get a particular playing technique, while in Dorico there is no restriction. I.e. one can e.g. specify no vibrato, legato, on the G string, played by four players and with an accent 😊.

- In Cubase these even have to be in a particular order for things to work, while in Dorico there are no restrictions 

- and finally Dorico Expression Maps offer criteria for an automatic playback of a score. Unfortunately, so far only the note length is supported, but nonetheless this way long or various short notes can automatically be played with the appropriate playing technique, and this works really well. As soon as Dorico offers more such criteria the playback will be mostly automatic and one will only have to tweak here and there.

Posted on Sun, Jan 16 2022 12:24
by Vinny Colletti
Joined on Mon, Apr 12 2021, Upstate NY, Posts 6

Hi Craig,

I'm just getting into composing and orchestration. I abandoned Samplitude after Windows stopped playing nicely with my interface last year. I was running Bootcamp on an older Mac Mini so retreated to OSX and tried everything else before settling on Studio One. Mainly I use VE7Pro to host instruments but use VST 3 and sound variations in S1 as well. I am not missing Samplitude at all since I can't imagine doing what I can now. With S1, VE7 Pro and VSL Synchron Player it's a whole new world.

Posted on Tue, Jan 18 2022 05:39
by Psalmster
Joined on Mon, Jul 30 2018, Posts 29

Vinny.

Thanks for speaking in. Fascinating to hear.

I still love Samplitude for Editing/Mixing, and because I know it so well I can immediately get work done.

However, I'm moving toward Studio One for composing, and am finding the new features in v.5 hugely compelling; and the cooperative effort with VSL to be so helpful!

Can you point me to any helpful resources you've benefitted from in combining VEPro with S1 for an orchestral template? I own VEP, but have not started using it yet.

What advantages have you found by loading instruments into VEP rather than directly into Studio One?

Posted on Tue, Jan 18 2022 09:00
by gabriel81
Joined on Tue, Nov 17 2009, Wien, Posts 257

Originally Posted by: Kai Go to Quoted Post

ok, maybe in this case the 5.5.0 update broke something there.

I updated now, it works great :)

Posted on Thu, Jan 20 2022 09:39
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

Originally Posted by: gabriel81 Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: Kai Go to Quoted Post

ok, maybe in this case the 5.5.0 update broke something there.

I updated now, it works great :)

Hello Gabriel,

thanks for the feedback! Yes 5.5 works fine 😊.

As John pointed out this was a Mac problem. This feature requires VST3 which is not natively supported so far on recent Macs. I can run S1 in emulation mode to use VST3 and there everything works.

Posted on Sat, Jan 29 2022 12:54
by Vinny Colletti
Joined on Mon, Apr 12 2021, Upstate NY, Posts 6

Hi Craig,

Sorry just saw this. Lots of youtube videos on templates for VSL . Anne Kathrin Dern has some.

VEP does a great job of resource management and all your samples are loaded up and ready to go. I find I can reference a lot of instruments in VEP from S1 and still record audio without a lot of latency or S1 crashing. If S1 does crash everything is still loaded in VEP so you're up and running again fast. VEP also loads up MIR if you have it and once you get the routing figured out, wow.

There's no way of getting around the fact that building templates is time consuming though. Reminds me I have to add in my Synchronized Special Edition samples,

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