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Last post Thu, Jun 09 2022 by Paul, 32 replies.
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Posted on Tue, May 03 2022 10:43
by Paul
Joined on Sat, Aug 03 2002, Vienna, Posts 13435

Hello everybody, 

It's finally here!  A light-weight, all-in-one Synchron library, perfect to start your musical adventure, complete your Synchron Collection, or to use on the road: Synchron Prime Edition

REMINDER: No key required with iLok Cloud!

Don't be fooled by the small installation size of less than 70 GB for 42 instruments: This library packs a lot of content, without sacrificing quality.

You will get the most important instruments and articulations of our flagship Synchron Series.

The included two mic channels will provide you with all the flexibility you need to shape your symphonic sound (close or mid + RoomMix).

And best of all: There are attractive upgrade and crossgrade prices available from and to the bigger Synchron libraries!

Pro Tip: The lowest cross-grade price from Synchron Libraries is just € 95, so make sure you are logged in to check your personal discount price!

Enjoy!

Paul Kopf
Product Manager - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, May 03 2022 16:51
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Washington (US State), Posts 447

Congratulations on the new library.

I don't imagine you can say right now whether there will be VSL-created Dorico expression maps for this library in the near term. For me that is crucial as to whether I would use this library very much.

For me, I see Prime as something that might be used in Dorico for initial composition before exporting to Studio One for further work and production. In this case the sound, basic articulations, and hopefully the basic CC work of the instruments would nicely correspond with the Standard instruments I would use in Studio One.

Again, since this was just released, I understand if you cannot say at this time. It would be great if an answer is available before the introductory offer is over.

And again, congratulations.

SY Woodwinds, Brass, Perc I, Strings Pro, Elite Strings, Prime
SYzd Woodwinds, Solo Strings, SpecEds 1-4 PLUS
Studio One 5, Dorico 4, Cubase 11
VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D
Windows 10, i5-9600K, 64GB
Posted on Tue, May 03 2022 17:31
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1171

RM's already posted! For Dorico, Sibelius and even Notion

Dorico, Finale, Sibelius, Notion, Overture, Cubase, StaffPad
Win11 x64, 64GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
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Posted on Tue, May 03 2022 17:43
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Washington (US State), Posts 447

Originally Posted by: Bill Go to Quoted Post

RM's already posted! For Dorico, Sibelius and even Notion

I knew where to find maps before under eLicenser MyDownloads, but where do I find these now that I've transitioned to iLok and Vienna Assistant?

Edited to add:

Answered my question by looking in a rather obvious place...the same place they used to be, under eLicenser MyDownloads.

Thanks for the heads up, Bill

SY Woodwinds, Brass, Perc I, Strings Pro, Elite Strings, Prime
SYzd Woodwinds, Solo Strings, SpecEds 1-4 PLUS
Studio One 5, Dorico 4, Cubase 11
VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D
Windows 10, i5-9600K, 64GB
Posted on Tue, May 03 2022 17:58
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 561

Oh yes! Many, many thanks VSL for this natural, sensible and most welcome evolution of the Synchron Orchestral collection.

Saw it, watched the 2 videos, checked my price (€95 - no-brainer!), bought it, installed it, dipped into it, and I get it; all within a hassle-free hour. Tomorrow's VSL has indeed arrived!

Yup, as claimed: small footprint in storage, memory and CPU, and straightforward choices for articulations without feeling hindered by absence of certain sophistications. Fewer velocity layers too it seems, but again, that's not an impediment in the spirit of Special Edition/Prime Edition usage.

Here's hoping this will be another great seller for you, VSL, like SE before it.

Much admiration from me for your design and production of this amazingly versatile new library in classic VIenna style, and my thanks again to the entire team. Super job!

"Music embodies feeling without forcing it to contend and combine with thought, as it is forced in most arts and especially in the art of words."
~ Franz Liszt
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 11:14
by slidehawk
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, Posts 24

Yep, installed it, too. Right now, I'm adding a new track folder for sketching in my template.

Congratulations, well done! +1

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 13:11
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1171

I don't suppose there any way to control the ensemble size of the string players?

Dorico, Finale, Sibelius, Notion, Overture, Cubase, StaffPad
Win11 x64, 64GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
August Forster 190
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 13:15
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Washington (US State), Posts 447

Originally Posted by: Bill Go to Quoted Post

I don't suppose there any way to control the ensemble size of the string players?

I don't believe so. This is one major difference between the Special Editions and Prime. No small sections, no solo strings.

SY Woodwinds, Brass, Perc I, Strings Pro, Elite Strings, Prime
SYzd Woodwinds, Solo Strings, SpecEds 1-4 PLUS
Studio One 5, Dorico 4, Cubase 11
VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D
Windows 10, i5-9600K, 64GB
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 15:50
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1171

That's what I figured.

Since SY Strings Pro and Elite Strings use the same EM in Dorico, I assume Elite would work here just by swapping in the right instrument.

Are the strings setup to to use VelXF ?

Dorico, Finale, Sibelius, Notion, Overture, Cubase, StaffPad
Win11 x64, 64GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
August Forster 190
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 17:46
by DaddyO
Joined on Tue, May 22 2012, Washington (US State), Posts 447

Originally Posted by: Bill Go to Quoted Post

Are the strings setup to to use VelXF ?

Three versions, as typical lately with VSL.

VelXF MOD (uses CC1 for all x-fading)

VelXF sus (uses CC1 for x-fading long notes, velocity for shorts)

Velocity (uses velocity only for all)

SY Woodwinds, Brass, Perc I, Strings Pro, Elite Strings, Prime
SYzd Woodwinds, Solo Strings, SpecEds 1-4 PLUS
Studio One 5, Dorico 4, Cubase 11
VE Pro, MIR Pro 3D
Windows 10, i5-9600K, 64GB
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 17:58
by Kai
Joined on Sun, Dec 29 2002, Graz, Austria, Posts 184

What is the difference in velocity layers between the full Synchron libraries and the Prime Edition? I already didn't like that they are not listed anymore in the manuals of the newer Synchron packages, but now that the Prime Edition apparently offers reduced versions it is impossible to make an informed purchase decision without this crucial info.

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 18:26
by Dewdman42
Joined on Tue, Feb 27 2018, Posts 911

This is a great product add from VSL, I think it will be very successful.  One Question....  I own a number of Synchron libraries now...so my cross grade price is only 95 euros. but the question is whether or not I even need to.  I think (not sure) I already own all the related Synchron libraries except for percussion.  Aside from the act that I would get some limited Synchron perc with this, what other advantages would be worth grabbing it?  are the Synchron presets in any way easier to use for simple projects then the full Synchron libs?

Would I have to have duplicated samples if I get this...since its all basically using a subset of what I already have?

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 19:30
by Bill
Joined on Fri, Sep 23 2005, Berkshires, MA, Posts 1171

I'm pondering the same thing...

There are instrument presets for Notion, if that's something you ever use. Instant integration.

Dorico, Finale, Sibelius, Notion, Overture, Cubase, StaffPad
Win11 x64, 64GB RAM; Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
Kontakt, Bunch of VSL, VIP, VEP, EWQL Orch, Choir and Pianos
August Forster 190
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 20:43
by spicemix
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2022, Posts 38

Very nice offering. A huge upgrade from SE1's old material I'm thinking. Glad I didn't get SE1, not getting it is like getting half off for this.

I just picked up the Berlin Inspire 1 + 2 on the NI deal of Kontakt versions for $349 to give a different flavor from the Epic 2.0 and VSO+XP I've been enjoying from you. Synchron Prime would go beyond all of that, with your fancy sheeny tone. So maybe Black Friday deal? If it's $299 at BF I would definitely be in. Nice to have options.

Oh and BTW VSO+XP does have the humanize feature on the legatos; it's just odd that you have to click the part specifically to see it. I had mistakenly mentioned somewhere that it didn't. Really only thing with VSO+XP is the lack of articulations, for which Synchron Prime looks to have basically everything I'd need at this point. Beyond that we get into orchestration specialist territory. May as well send stuff to a good one in the scenario you have that budget...why reinvent that wheel.

Although, it looks like Synchron Prime does lack first chairs on the strings. Has solo instruments the rest of the sections though. The Synchron-ized SE1 does offer Solo Violin/Cello as Berlin Inspire 2 has. The solo strings seem to still be on the Synchron-ized level rather than the Synchron level, so maybe solo strings will show up as an upgrade of Synchron Prime someday. What would be an excellent deal would be getting a Synchron Solo Strings and a $99 crossgrade to Prime from that. But I suppose that product doesn't exist yet.

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 21:33
by slidehawk
Joined on Fri, Jan 12 2007, Posts 24

For me, 95€ were a no brainer. I own all the Synchron libraries and my template is huge. BUT now I also have a light weight RAM solution with less than 2GB (!) for the whole Prime Edition, all articulations activated and my CPU is happy, too. ;-)
This is perfect for sketching. Later on, I add the "big boys" for refinement – it's all about workflow.

Cheers

Posted on Thu, May 05 2022 00:05
by littlewierdo
Joined on Sun, Apr 24 2016, Posts 243

1. I am wondering, I currently have the Special Editions Complete Synchron libraries, what am I getting with Prime that I do not already have?

2. Is there no upgrade pricing available for those of us who have the Special Edition libraries? My understanding is that the Special Edition libraries come from the same collections as the Prime library, so I am a bit confused... Considering I paid significantly more for the Special Edition libraries than what Prime costs, this new collection confuses me.

3. Also, does this Prime Library have vibrato control for solo instruments? In all honesty, this is the only thing I really wish I had in the Special Edition libraries...

Posted on Thu, May 05 2022 00:33
by spicemix
Joined on Fri, Mar 18 2022, Posts 38

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post
1. I am wondering, I currently have the Special Editions Complete Synchron libraries, what am I getting with Prime that I do not already have?

2. Is there no upgrade pricing available for those of us who have the Special Edition libraries? My understanding is that the Special Edition libraries come from the same collections as the Prime library, so I am a bit confused... Considering I paid significantly more for the Special Edition libraries than what Prime costs, this new collection confuses me.

The confusing thing is they use "Synchron" and "Synchron-ized" to define two different eras of products. The new products, called "Synchron" are new recordings made in their own in-house "Synchron" recording studio we paid for over the years. The older "Synchron-ized" products are old recordings that they made in dry recording studios, which have then been processed with "positional IR" convolution reverb impulses made at the various section locations of their in-house Synchron studio so they sound like their newer recordings. Plus a lot of programming.

Synchron-ized Special Editions are drawn from the old material that has been refreshed this way. Synchron Prime Edition is from the new material recorded at their in-house studio. They are all different samples from what you have, so there's no crossgrade discount. This is reasonable. 

Originally Posted by: littlewierdo Go to Quoted Post
3. Also, does this Prime Library have vibrato control for solo instruments? In all honesty, this is the only thing I really wish I had in the Special Edition libraries...

Vienna Synchron Player uses a Vibrato XF crossfade continuous control for this. And below it is claimed this is included in Prime Edition.

Posted on Thu, May 05 2022 13:42
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 561

Yes PE has XF Vibrato. For most other "does it have?" queries like this, check out the PE manual in VA. (All VSL manuals are available in VA or on-site, whether or not you own the instrument or software you wish to read up on.)

What's the attraction of PE? Well, surely that's pretty much along the same lines as SE = "VI Light" (whether Synchronized or not). But PE is distilled from the current Synchron libraries which have their own unique sonic hallmarks. It's now a matter of taste preferences as much if not more than anything else.

SE/PE of course means lower cost, less sophistication and lighter computer resources.

For one thing, it's well suited to fast, easy and convenient sketching (some tech-heads might perhaps understand the term "rapid-prototyping" better); i.e. it's handy for a "quick and dirty" approach - although in this case I much prefer the expresssion "slick and flirty", lol.

But much more than that, in many cases where the music maker is developing a fairly simple work, say perhaps a pop song or a fairly pop-ish hybrid instrumental piece, then PE (or previously SE) might well be just what he or she needs to help in producing a very presentable and attractive finished work.

"Music embodies feeling without forcing it to contend and combine with thought, as it is forced in most arts and especially in the art of words."
~ Franz Liszt
Posted on Thu, May 05 2022 17:22
by Viktor
Joined on Tue, Nov 05 2013, Posts 24

Hi! I have some Synchron libraries and VI libraries that I want to use with eLicenser now (for not to pass through downloading process now, think that I'd better buy the Vienna HD for this purpose) 

Now I bought Synchron Prime Edition that want to use on the same PC with iLok hardware. Will it be conflicting with eLicenser libraries? I mean Synchron player - is it the same player for iLok and eLicenser? MIR pro, Vienna suite etc - will they all be working at the same time on the same PC? Or it will be convenient to download and install Prime Edition libraries on the other PC or Mac?

Maybe this question was discussed but I didn't find it, could you direct me to that tread please?

Thanks! 

Posted on Thu, May 05 2022 17:58
by Macker
Joined on Tue, Aug 21 2018, London, Posts 561

Viktor, as stated by Paul in various places, E-Licensed and iLok-licensed VSL products cannot be operated together in one computer; it's strictly either/or, per computer. And as far as I know, none of VSL's instrument libraries or players have the option of running under either E-Licenser or iLok; you'll need the version built by VSL specifically for one or the other of these two licensing technologies. Also, it appears that PE and all new VSL products now will be built for iLok only.

"Music embodies feeling without forcing it to contend and combine with thought, as it is forced in most arts and especially in the art of words."
~ Franz Liszt
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