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ports vs channels (midi)
Last post Wed, May 04 2022 by Terence_, 6 replies.
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Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 13:32
by Terence_
Joined on Wed, Apr 20 2022, Australia, Posts 12

I've never seen any DAWs that have multiple 'ports' for any given virtual instrument.
Am I missing something? Which DAWs can take advantage of VEP's multiple ports?

I have no problems with routing midi clips to different midi channels within VEP but then that means I am limited to 16 per instance.

Do I need to use the Event VI for that? The manual says that you only need the Event VI when you are limited to VST2 support. I am using VST3. I did try the event VI but it was dropping events hopelessly (not sending note-on events for ages, then not sending note-offs - leaving me with lots of stuck notes).

I would really like to know how to access all these ports in one instance.

I'm currently using Bitwig, but I also have Studio ONE 5.5, Reaper, Ableton Live 10, Harrison Mixbus 7, Waveform 11.

Any info much appreciated.

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 15:53
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1942

I don't know those hosts at all. Cubase or Nuendo's Inspector - for a rack instrument - connects to VE Pro VST3 port first, the channel below that. If not VST3, there is AU3, still in beta, and Event Input plugin. IE: VST3 supports multiple ports; whether the host is implementing it, I only know from those two, and on paper the Event Input workaround.

MacBookPro 18,3
Apple M1 Pro: 2.3 GHz 8-core i9

Mac OS 12.3.1
VE Pro 7.1298, Nuendo 11.0.41
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 16:01
by civilization 3
Joined on Sat, May 16 2009, SF Bay Area, Posts 1942

it looks like this [01. is the instance name, there are 16 ports enbabled in my VEP preferences]:

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MacBookPro 18,3
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Mac OS 12.3.1
VE Pro 7.1298, Nuendo 11.0.41
Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 16:27
by Terence_
Joined on Wed, Apr 20 2022, Australia, Posts 12

Originally Posted by: civilization 3 Go to Quoted Post

I don't know those hosts at all. Cubase or Nuendo's Inspector - for a rack instrument - connects to VE Pro VST3 port first, the channel below that. If not VST3, there is AU3, still in beta, and Event Input plugin. IE: VST3 supports multiple ports; whether the host is implementing it, I only know from those two, and on paper the Event Input workaround.

Okay, thanks for the info. I found the following on a 2018 VI-control post
https://vi-control.net/community/threads/creating-multiple-midi-ports-in-reaper.71523/

So apparently reaper has this concept of MIDI buses and the guy reckons it works with VST3 ports for VE. First time I heard about it. I can't seem to wire it up using my copy of Reaper but will try again later. I'll have to ask in respective DAW forums for more info.

This is the problem I have found with learning VEP. There is little to no information that is DAW specific. I read the notes for Studio ONE in the manual and they were pretty useless. If you're not using cubase, digital performer, logic, or protools then you're out of luck. I have like 9 DAWs and none of them are protools, logic, DP or cubase. Although I am evaluating DP at the moment.

I plan on doing some YT videos on using VEP with the different DAWs as soon as I figure more stuff out. Not much out there to go on.

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 16:58
by Terence_
Joined on Wed, Apr 20 2022, Australia, Posts 12

Just tried it in Studio ONE and it's nice and easy there. You just get a massive list of channels preceded by a port number. A lazy, but effective implementation. 

Posted on Wed, May 04 2022 17:17
by Terence_
Joined on Wed, Apr 20 2022, Australia, Posts 12

Traction Waveform 11 Pro seems to cope but I will have to noodle around with it to see how it translates or whether it works at all.

I had no idea but apparently Waveform 12 dropped last month and I didn't even notice. I'll have to take it for a spin and see how fun it is to work with VEP. They have a 90 day trial.

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