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Volume drop with MIR Pro 3D
Last post Thu, Aug 04 2022 by winknotes_282, 8 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Aug 02 2022 20:49
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 218

I must be doing something wrong because the volume of the instruments (individually and collectively) drops nearly in half when they're in my instance of Mir.  And that's with or without an instrument profile.  Is that normal? 

Steve

Steve
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Finale 26
VSL SE/Synchron
Posted on Wed, Aug 03 2022 09:02
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7976

Hi Steve,

there are many reasons why this can be the case, and most of them are actually part of the concept.

- As soon as "Distance Dependent Scaling" of the dry signal is On, an Icon that's positioned far away from the Main Microphone will be considerably quieter than in its near vicinity, much like in Real Life. ;-)

- This effect might be even more obvious when the "Air Absorption" filter is switched on for the dry signal

- Format and setup of the Main Mic will influence the behaviour of the dry signal significantly.

- If you use "Natural Volume" settings, they might be as low as -15 dB or less.

For testing I would create a simple setup with a "legacy" 1st Order stereo output format (e.g. MIR Pro's "Default"), switch off all Dry Signal Handling options and put a source Icon with a basic Cardioid Directivity pattern one or two meters in front of the Main Mic. Please tell us what happens in this scenario. 

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Aug 03 2022 12:58
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 218

Thank you Dietz.  I'll do some experimenting later today and report back. 

Steve

Steve
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Finale 26
VSL SE/Synchron
Posted on Wed, Aug 03 2022 23:57
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 218

Well in Studio One I don't have that issue.  Everything is as I would expect. 

So I'm going to do a little more experimenting in Dorico which is where I had the problem. 

.Steve

Steve
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Finale 26
VSL SE/Synchron
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2022 06:29
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7976

I see, thanks for the info. If you need further help, please don't hesitate to get in contact with !

All the best,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2022 13:31
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 218

I think I'm getting the hang of it now.  You pointed me in the right direction so I"m observing things now I hadn't paid attention to before. 

My last question would be should I bother using instrument profiles for the Synchronized-SE library?  If I use an instrument profile it brings the natural volume way down as opposed to Cardoid which I think is the default profile when the various instruments load.  

thanks again for your patience.  

Steve

Steve
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Finale 26
VSL SE/Synchron
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2022 14:47
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 7976

Natural Volume is a Vienna Instrument-exclusive feature, and we just detected several erratic values in that look-up table anyway. 8-/ 

In general, MIR's Instrument Profiles have been optimized for Vienna Instruments (and Synchronized Series, of course). You _could_ use the Directivity Profiles for matching Synchron Instruments, although some of them won't reflect the actual recording angle as the setups were quite different, sometimes. In any case: Don't use the Characters (a.k.a. Pre-EQs) for Synchron Instruments, I've made them specifically for Vienna Instruments.

HTH,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Aug 04 2022 15:19
by winknotes_282
Joined on Mon, Dec 23 2002, Posts 218

Ok that makes sense and confirms what i'm seeing.  In the meantime I found another helpful thread on volume/expression and how that affects MIR so i'm doing some testing in that regard as well. 

Thanks again for your help. 

Steve

Steve
Windows 10 Pro 64-bit
Finale 26
VSL SE/Synchron
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