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MIR Pro 3D - AWESOME!
Last post Wed, Aug 17 2022 by JaredThirsk, 11 replies.
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Posted on Sat, Aug 13 2022 01:47
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5732

I just did my first mix with MIR Pro 3D and it is like earplugs were removed and total realism of sound is right there.  I am doing a really huge orchestral piece and it just blows me away how great this masterpiece of software makes everything sound.  Congratulations to the brilliant Dietz and the great VSL team  for this wonderful creation!  I am super excited by this! It may be the greatest thing VSL has yet done and they've done one great thing after another! 

Posted on Sat, Aug 13 2022 11:11
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8287

Thanks for the kind words, William! 

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post
the great VSL team [...]
 

MIR is a team effort from start to finish - I just contribute crazy ideas every now and then. ;-)

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Sat, Aug 13 2022 16:56
by Rubens Tubenchlak
Joined on Tue, Mar 27 2007, Posts 26

William, have you tried MIR 3D with which libraries? Especially curious about the strings...

Posted on Sat, Aug 13 2022 23:20
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5732

Oh, sure, Dietz!

Posted on Sat, Aug 13 2022 23:29
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5732

I am using MIR Pro 3D so far with a large orchestra of VI woodwinds, brass, Dimension brass, percussion, Appassionata strings, Chamber strings, Orchestral strings.  I think there may be a demo soon of the piece I'm working on (somewhat secretly - it's all very hush-hush at this point...)

Posted on Sun, Aug 14 2022 15:50
by Rubens Tubenchlak
Joined on Tue, Mar 27 2007, Posts 26

William,

would you mind comparing your results between vi (orchestral strings, chamber strings, or appassionata strings) + MIR 3d PRO with the Synchron string libraries? If you also have the Synchron libraries of course!

Posted on Sun, Aug 14 2022 22:19
by William
Joined on Sun, Nov 24 2002, USA, Posts 5732

MIR Pro 3D is not designed for Synchron at all. It is for the "dry" sound of VI, other libraries or any audio input you want to use.  

You could use it with Synchron but the whole concept is that Synchron has its own built-in ambience of the Synchron stage, and using MIR Pro with that would be like washing additional reverb over the natural sound.   

Posted on Mon, Aug 15 2022 19:25
by JaredThirsk
Joined on Sun, Sep 14 2008, Calgary, Canada, Posts 14

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

Synchron has its own built-in ambience of the Synchron stage, 

I understood him to be asking you to compare Synchron, with the built-in ambience of the Synchron stage (no MIR), with the VI or other libraries played through MIR, using the Synchron A wide impulse respones (roompack 6).  (This is the same thing I am trying to do in my other thread.)

Cubase 12, Ryzen 3900X (24 thread), 64GB RAM, Windows 10.
SY - BBO, Pro/Elite Str, Brass | SYzd: SE (vol 1+, 2), Solo/Dim/App Str, Woodwinds | MIR - 3D packs 1 4 6.
Posted on Mon, Aug 15 2022 19:44
by JaredThirsk
Joined on Sun, Sep 14 2008, Calgary, Canada, Posts 14

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

I just did my first mix with MIR Pro 3D and it is like earplugs were removed and total realism of sound is right there. 

Are you doing any surround/3d/binaural, or just the classic stereo mics and output from MIR Pro 3D?

I'm curious how much stereo has improved with MIR Pro 3D now that the roompacks have been upsampled to 3D.

Then there is this binaural 3D demo which sounds fantastic and tantalizing:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ktkqvABmqA

And Dietz and others say how great 3D is.  So I am also trying to wrap my head around how much it might be worth it to explore various amounts of 3D and how much each of these adds, even for people stuck with targeting stereo speakers and/or headphones:

  • 3D to stereo downmix within MIR Pro
  • 3D to 7.(1).4 or 5.0.4 to stereo downmix using some other approach
  • Raw 3rd order ambisonics (16-ch) to binaural (I'm trying this using Cubase's HRTF but it sounds like a mess so I don't think I have it set up properly yet.  Or maybe Cubase is inferior/limited compared to dear VR.)
  • (If Binaural sounds really good on headphones, how bad would it sound on speakers?)

(I still have a lot of experimenting to do to try to answer these questions for myself, but I'm always glad to get the insights of people with experienced ears.)

Cubase 12, Ryzen 3900X (24 thread), 64GB RAM, Windows 10.
SY - BBO, Pro/Elite Str, Brass | SYzd: SE (vol 1+, 2), Solo/Dim/App Str, Woodwinds | MIR - 3D packs 1 4 6.
Posted on Tue, Aug 16 2022 20:10
by Rubens Tubenchlak
Joined on Tue, Mar 27 2007, Posts 26

Originally Posted by: JaredThirsk Go to Quoted Post

Originally Posted by: William Go to Quoted Post

Synchron has its own built-in ambience of the Synchron stage, 

I understood him to be asking you to compare Synchron, with the built-in ambience of the Synchron stage (no MIR), with the VI or other libraries played through MIR, using the Synchron A wide impulse respones (roompack 6).  (This is the same thing I am trying to do in my other thread.)



Exactly. Thanks Jared! Btw, please could you attach the link to the thread you have mentioned?

Posted on Wed, Aug 17 2022 19:27
by JaredThirsk
Joined on Sun, Sep 14 2008, Calgary, Canada, Posts 14

Originally Posted by: Rubens Tubenchlak Go to Quoted Post

please could you attach the link to the thread you have mentioned?

Here it is.  (I was wondering if someone had already figured out how to set up volume for combining Synchronized libraries + MIR Pro 3D with Synchron direct to output, but the answer is we just have to adjust the volumes ourselves.)

https://www.vsl.co.at/community/posts/t59271-MIR-Pro-3D--Factory-Presets-vs-Natural-volume--and-CC7-Master-Volume#post312393

Cubase 12, Ryzen 3900X (24 thread), 64GB RAM, Windows 10.
SY - BBO, Pro/Elite Str, Brass | SYzd: SE (vol 1+, 2), Solo/Dim/App Str, Woodwinds | MIR - 3D packs 1 4 6.
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