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  • Vienna Imperial 2sus questions

    Hello,

    I just purchased the Vienna Imperial piano sample library and I'm really amazed at how well it sounds and plays. The GUI is obviously a bit outdated and doesn't offer as much customizing of the sound as the newer Synchron Piano Player does, but I'm still really amazed by the performance of this older sample library. I have a couple questions:

    1. How many years ago was this piano sampled?

    2. The 2sus feature is really nice. What does the "2sus" acronym stand for?

    3. When I hover over the 2sus button this box appears: "2sus function increases the realism of sustained notes that are pressed before the sustain pedal. This, however, halvens the streaming performance and reduces the effective polyphony value in half." 

    What does it mean to "halven" the steaming performance and reduce the effective polyphony value in half. Does that mean if I have the the polyphony set at 80 it will be reduced to 40 when I use the 2sus feature?

    Thanks for the help.

    God Bless,

    David  


    F308, D-274, 280VC, Bösendorfer Imperial, Vienna Imperial
  • Hi David, 

    Glad you like the Vienna Imperial, it is indeed a great piano!

    We sampled it in 2007, IIRC, and your assumptions are correct, using the 2sus feature takes more streaming bandwidth. The "warning" is probably irrelevant on modern computers, but back then it was essential. 

    It's a small detail and hard to explain, but you will hear it when you experiment with different timings of the sustain pedal (after having played a note). 

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
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    @Paul said:

    using the 2sus feature takes more streaming bandwidth. The "warning" is probably irrelevant on modern computers, but back then it was essential.

    Thanks for the response. I still don't quite understand. Is the polyphony being reduced to half the amount when I use the 2sus feature, e.g., do I end up with only 40 if I started with 80 when using the 2sus feature? The way you're describing it sounds like the polyphony increases. 

    Also, is the 2sus acronym short for something like "double sustain" or something else? Thanks again for the help.

    God Bless,

    David


    F308, D-274, 280VC, Bösendorfer Imperial, Vienna Imperial
  • Hello David, 

    The polyphony increases. I'd put it this way: The 2sus mode activates a "lingering sustain" in the background, always ready to be played back. Try with different velocities before/after you use the pedal in 2sus Mode. 

    Best, 
    Paul


    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • "2sus" is not an acronym. It's just short for something like "to sustained".

    I've always said that's the greatest feature of Vienna Imperial and the one thing that still sets it appart from the rest of VSL pianos. It gives it an amazing touch (and even more, a feel for the player) of realism.

    What is it exactly? It emulates very effectively what happens in a real acoustic piano when you press the sustain pedal or release it AFTER you already pressed notes in the keyboard.

    How does it do it? It loads two samples per note/velocity. One is the unsustained sound sample, and the other is the sustained sound sample. Then it switches between the dry sample and the sustained sample as you press or release the pedal, no matter if you are in the middle of a note/chord. That's what a real piano does. And that's why your polyphony gets reduced to half - because you need double the amount of samples at the same time for that to work.

    In a real piano, if you play a chord without releasing it, and after a second you press the sustain pedal, you clearly hear a complete change in the sound, as you are opening the rest of the strings and they start creating sympathetic resonances.

    In the same way, if you you first press your sustain pedal, and play a chord without releasing it, you'll immadiately hear that chord with a lot of sympathetic resonances, like a kind of reverb. But, if you haven't released the chord and after a second you release only the sustain pedal, you also hear an immediate change in the sound, going from big to dry as the sympathetic resonances are muted.

    To me, that's a HUGE deal. I've told VSL in the past that I consider it a terrible mistake not to have included that feature in any of the Synchron pianos. When I play the Vienna Imperial for myself, without any reverb, I can enjoy the sound and feel really inspired, and what happens with 2sus enabled makes me feel very close to what I feel when playing an acoustic piano. But not with the Synchrons. Those have beautiful samples, and they may be good mixed with an orchestra or with lots of room reverberation (as in most of their demos) - but they don't feel natural for the player in their dryest setting, because you can't hear any reaction to the sustain pedal when you press a chord and then the pedal, or when you release the pedal with your hands still on the chord.

    After all these years, Vienna Imperial is, to me, the greatest virtual piano ever created. It's still the only one I enjoy playing for inspiration. I also have several of the Synchron pianos, and some times those sit better into a mix when I produce pop music in my studio. But, for the experience of playing it alone and getting inspired, nothing beats the Vienna Imperial. To me.

    Cheers,

    Francisco


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    @Zarabozo said:

    After all these years, Vienna Imperial is, to me, the greatest virtual piano ever created

    It's the same for me. Great piano, with nothing matching its clean, detailed, strong, yet expressive and responsive tone.

    Paolo