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  • Amazing Demos!

    The demos on line are outstanding! They make me never want to hear another orchestral library again. The degree of realism is spectacular - every single demo sounds like it's played by a real group of players or solo instrumentalist.

    That leads me to ask - how hard was it to create these demos? Did each of these short vignettes require hours of labor in switching samples and getting the articulations right? Or is the key switching and velocity crossfading set up well enough so that these instruments can really be played realistically from the keyboard?

    On the trumpet ensemble demo I can kinda hear that there are several different samples going on. The initial note, the runs and the repeated notes each sound like different key switches. Plus the pianissimo section from :12-:20 sounds like a different, but well matched sample. Is it easy to switch between these samples? Also, is the crescendo at the end of this piece easy to do? Is it achieved through velocity crossfading, or midi volume changes or both?

    On the piccolo trumpet and flute examples, which sound so effortless that they remind me of someone warming up in a practice room, were these played as quickly and fluidly like they sound? I suspect it didn't take 30 seconds to make that demo.. but was it a matter of simply playing it through and then switching the right samples for each phrase after the fact, or was each phrase played separately with different key switches?
    I'm especially interested in the runs and the trills. Do the patches run in mono/legato mode? In the piccolo trumpet there are both legato and tongued runs - are those achieved through either legato or staccato playing, or are they separate samples? Is the flute trill a separate a separate sample or is the patch just programmed well enough so that when you trill it sounds that good?

    Thanks,

    Steve

  • Hi Steve!

    One of the most important points when we were composing our demos was to find a way to make our samples easy to use. The conception of our Performance Tools is based on our experiences in these productions.
    That´s why it´s hard for us to define a programming time of our demos, as it has also been a lot of research as well.
    With the next planned pool of new demos, that will be produced with the finished Vienna Symphonic Library, we will also release additional informations regarding their production-process, which will also include the midi-files.

    A major part of our extensive Performance Set will be supported by our Performance Tools. The challenge for us was to develop a system that enables the user to work with performance material of high complexity without limitations – as if he or she works with „normal“ multisamples.
    This is possible, because our Performance Tools are managing an automatic dimension switching in the background.

    Take our Performance Legato Tool for example: We´ve recorded all intervalls from the minor second to the octav upwards and downwards, then we dissected the first (starting-) tone , leaving the target-tone with the ambience of the dissected starting-tone. Once the right intervall-samples are played in a row, you get an absolutely authentic legato.

    Which also means, that there´s 24 dimensions existing for every tone, always depending which tone was triggered before. And the choice of the right dimension is made by our Performance Legato Tool. So the user plays „normally“ on the keyboard, the tool grasps the played intervalls and switches online to the right dimension.

    Another important feature of the Vienna Symphonic Libraryare are recorded cescendos and diminuendos for all instruments in different lengths and intensity-levels and -changes.
    With groups there will also be velocity-crossfading. In the Trumpet-Demo you mentioned you heard really played crescendo.
    The work with our dynamic samples is easy, simply select the demanded length by keyswitch and decide between crescendo/diminuendo by using the modwheel. That´s all.


    Our Broken Chord Performances and Scale Performances (to come with the Symphonic Cube) will offer legato and „tongued“ variations (with strings: legato, detache and spicatto).

    With these Performances the user will have instant access to every tone of a Performance.
    So basically really played repetitions, broken chords and scales were deconstructed in it´s parts and are made accessible by our Performance Tools.

    The trills you mentioned are normal „fixed“ multi-samples (which are mapped with Release Samples).

    All the best, Paul

    Paul Kopf Product Manager VSL
  • Wow, almost every time I can think of a critisism for VSL, I quickly discover I was wrong. You guys have done almost everything I ever thought of while working...
    "I wish my samples could do this"... Let's see if you can maintain your near perfect average.( "near" perfect = no Clarinet Virbrato)

    Do the described cres/dim keyswitches take place on an additional midi channel? please say no, or I'll cry. Well, I guess Giga only has so many dimensions, but I'll still cry.

    Here is an idea to solve variant progressive virbrato timings. Disect the sample just before the VB kicks in and have a performance-tool do a switch from the straight sample when commanded... no phasey crossfade needed. Well, maybe a tiny one, I don't know. Did you already do something like this? A similar perfomance tool might aid in programing cres/dim events...(eg; sections playing PP then cres. disect the cres in the pp and attach to PP sample when commanded.) This would work great with subtle cres/dim for nuences at note changes. Hey, this is easy, "Disect this, attach that". At Least when you're not the one who has to actually do it.

    Re: Clarinet Virbrato solution. Just drum on the Clarinetists belly when he plays the note. Or perhaps have him play on the washing machine.

    JP

  • > Re: Clarinet Virbrato solution. Just drum on the Clarinetists belly when he > plays the note. Or perhaps have him play on the washing machine.


    Kewl idea! You're kindly invited to edit the noise! 8-]

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
  • Giga only allows 32 dimensions, I believe.

    Also some cross fading (though not much) is definitely needed between non-vibrato and vibrato, otherwise you'd hear a click because the wave is not smooth. But I'm sure these guys have figured out exactly how to do it just enough so there's no click but also so there's no phasing. I can't wait to hear it!

    Where's the demo cube!!! [:)]