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  • I'm having a hard time understanding VSL's surround offering.

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    I am set up in physical 7.1 (and soon 7.1.4) and am looking at what VSL offers in that direction. But I'm having a hard time understanding VSL's surround offering.

    • The Synchon Player does 5.1, but, it seems, not 7.1. or 7.1.4 (the basis for Dolby Atmos), despite the fact that it claims to be "immersive". 
    • Synchron instruments do surround, but not Synchron-ized instruments, which remain stereo (or else I don't understand)
    • The Vienna Suite Pro does not go beyond 5.1. here, although it advertises 12.2. All examples in the manual or videos are also 5.1., not more. How to understand?
    • MIR 3D talks about full 3D audio support for stereo and 5.1 configurations (so we understand that on a stereo or 5.1 basis we can go to 7.1 and more), but talks about specific manual presets.
      • I'll have to look into this further, but: is it better to use for example the Synchon Player in 5.1 and end up with MIR 3D 7.1 or more? Are there any advantages? Or does a stereo instrumental source give the same result?

    I wish VSL would open a surround support page to explain what they recommend as a surround workflow with their tools, and be much more specific about the functions of each. 
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    Examples for MIR 3D routing in 3D in several popular DAWs here:

    -> https://www.vsl.info/en/tutorials/guides/mir-pro-3d-exploration-pack

    Surround- and 3D capabilities of Vienna Suite Pro are totally dependant on your host. In Nuendo/Cubase and ProTools it's sufficient to open an instance in a track with the desired channel-count. (... see first screen-shot below).

    Synchron-ized libraries are stereo only, much like the Vienna Instruments libraries they are derived from. They are meant to be used with MIR 3D for surround- and 3D-formats, bypassing the internal positioning and reverberation tools of the Synchron Player.

    Synchron Library specifics are not my forte, but the way _I_ do 3D routing for Synchron Instruments is shown in the second screen-shot for a 5.1.4 setup: I actually use direct outs (just have to make sure to activate enough stereo outputs) and use the hosts panning capabilities for the actual 3D routing. ... this might not be the official way, though. 😊

    HTH,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Thank you very much Dietz for taking the time to answer me.

    I looked up what you gave me. I find out that you have to insert MIR only by panning, not by the usual method. I also see that it only works (here) by inserting a stereo instance of Synchon Player (if I insert the surround version there is incompatibility). Thirdly, I see that the Vienna Suite pro works on a 7.1 bus.

    However, I have difficulty working in Cubase 12, for example (I also work in Pro Tools and Samplitude) and in the MIR window. As soon as I click on MIR, Cubase stops playing. So I can't do any placement in the room in real time. But maybe I'm forgetting something.

    Anyway, thanks again. I hope the folks at Vienna will do a little more to communicate the surround techniques to know with their products. For example, for the video you gave me the link to, Vienna has blocked the automatic translation of the subtitles. It's hard for non-English speakers... but that's another story!

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    @Another User said:

    Anyway, thanks again. I hope the folks at Vienna will do a little more to communicate the surround techniques to know with their products. For example, for the video you gave me the link to, Vienna has blocked the automatic translation of the subtitles. It's hard for non-English speakers... but that's another story!

    I assume that there was a good reason for doing so, but I'll forward your request internally just to make sure that this wasn't just an oversight.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    @CLAUDE MARC BOURGET said:

    [...] For example, for the video you gave me the link to, Vienna has blocked the automatic translation of the subtitles. It's hard for non-English speakers... [...]

    As a follow up to this remark I'm happy to tell you that VSL's anchor man, Paul Kopf, has already added this feature to the tutorials mentioned above. 😊 Please check them out again.

    Kind regards,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Dietz, thank you for these detailed answers.  This excellent support adds a lot of value to the VSL products.  I'm looking at this point by point.
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    Thanks to you and thanks to Paul.
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    Dietz,

    You could do the same thing and unlock the subtitles for the Vienna Suite PRO? (here is an example):

    VIENNA SUITE PRO – Hybrid Reverb & Exciter - YouTube

    Best,

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  • DietzD
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    Hi Claude,

    I can't do that myself, but I'll forward your request. Might take until after the weekend, though.

    Thanks for your patience,

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Dietz,

    I understand, that's great thanks.

    cm
  • DietzD
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    Update @Claude Marc: According to VSL's Paul Kopf, subtitles should also appear in Vienna Suite Pro tutorial videos now. :-)

    Thanks for the hint! 

    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
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    Merci Dietz !