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Last post Wed, Mar 29 2023 by Cyril Blanc, 12 replies.
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Posted on Mon, Mar 20 2023 07:50
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello

After starting a project with Synchron Instruments I have done a second version with VI instruments.

The SY version all there instrument had there width set to zero

Before reloading all the roles the sounds was good 

I have re-load all the roles and now I am a bit disappointed

I am looking for advises

Thanks in advance for your help

Best

Cyril

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Posted on Mon, Mar 20 2023 09:30
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8293

Hi Cyril,

"being disappointed" isn't good, but as a description for a technical issue it's a bit vague. Please explain in more detail: Are you using Synchron Libraries or Synchron-ized Vienna Instruments? Where do the Roles you're loading come from? What's your host, what are you trying to achieve, what are the reproduction steps, and most of all: What is it that is disappointing you?

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Tue, Mar 21 2023 04:36
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello Dietz

Please explain in more detail: Are you using Synchron Libraries or Synchron-ized Vienna Instruments?

Before the roles where re-loaded it was sounding great compare to Synchron, very clear 

Where do the Roles you're loading come from?

Synchron Stage a Wide

What's your host, what are you trying to achieve,

Mac 

what are the reproduction steps, and most of all What is it that is disappointing you?

I have decide to use only VI instruments

The woodwinds and the winds are covered by the Brass if you use the volume defined in the Role

Also it looks like there is a placement problem if you use Synchron Stage a Wide, winds and strings are mainly stuck on the center

Do you have a picture of the ideal placement of the instruments when you use Synchron Stage a Wide.

The placement of the choir is in front of the winds, very strange !!!

Thanks in advance for your help

Kind regards

 

Cyril

P.S. I have review the placement and the volume of the instrument ; it is getting much better 

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Posted on Tue, Mar 21 2023 12:16
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8293

Hi Cyril,

I know, that language barrier is difficult to overcome, but I have a really hard time to understand what you're actually asking for.

Quote:
Please explain in more detail: Are you using Synchron Libraries or Synchron-ized Vienna Instruments?

Before the roles where re-loaded it was sounding great compare to Synchron, very clear 

I have no idea what you are comparing because still don't understand what you're actually doing. Are you trying to apply Roles that were created for Vienna Instruments (and consequently Synchron-IZED libraries in Synchron Player")? This won't give you the intended result.

Quote:
Where do the Roles you're loading come from?

Synchron Stage a Wide

That takes me by surprise, because the settings you show in your screen-shot don't look remotely like the Role presets I created for that Venue.

Quote:
What's your host, what are you trying to achieve,

Mac

Well - that's a computer brand, but judging from your signature you're a Logic user. Is this DAW also to host for MIR 3D, or are you using VE Pro for hosting it?

Quote:
The woodwinds and the winds are covered by the Brass if you use the volume defined in the Role

The Natural Volume setting are meant to be seen as a starting point only. They only make sense when they are applied to all Icons in a VI-only arrangement (... no 3rd-party sound sources). Please make sure that you don't double these settings inadvertently, e.g. by using your host's volume faders.

Quote:
Also it looks like there is a placement problem if you use Synchron Stage a Wide, winds and strings are mainly stuck on the center

Do you have a picture of the ideal placement of the instruments when you use Synchron Stage a Wide.

Yes, there are screenshots for all Venue Presets. They are derived from legacy MIR Pro's "MIRx" settings and should look similar to the pictures shown in the MIRx manual:

-> https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/vienna-instruments-mirx/venue-details/synchron-stage-vienna#sy-stage-wide

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The placement of the choir is in front of the winds, very strange !!!

Well, that decision has been made when the orchestra seating for Synchron Instruments was defined. Not much I can do about it in a preset collection that's meant to match these settings as closely as possible. But the nice thing about MIR is that you can put the respective Icons anywhere you want to hear them play yourself. :-)

Hope that helps,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Wed, Mar 22 2023 03:35
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello Dietz

 

Thank you so much.

Sorry for the language barrier, I don't know how many French customer you have, but it may be the time to have a support in French too.

I have decide to put the width to zero and the volume to 0db too

I control the volume in Logic and the instrument do not mix together ; so you do not have a 'brouhaha".

With your 96 tracks console, I suppose you use close mics and you mix instruments indidualy

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

Hi Cyril,Yes, there are screenshots for all Venue Presets. They are derived from legacy MIR Pro's "MIRx" settings and should look similar to the pictures shown in the MIRx manual:

-> https://www.vsl.info/en/manuals/vienna-instruments-mirx/venue-details/synchron-stage-vienna#sy-stage-wide

This is very help full thanks.

I have a dilemma about placing a Drum Kit as the arms and the legs of the drummer are not long enough 

If you look to the attach picture you are going to have a big laugh 

In a normal mix the instruments of the drum kit are placed from right to left

Do you have a solution ?

 Kind regards

Cyril

P.S. Looking forward to have the MIR manual in One PDF, so it is easy to find what you are looking for and not to bother VSL support.

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I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
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Posted on Wed, Mar 22 2023 21:47
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8293

Quote:
I have decide to put the width to zero and the volume to 0db too

Keeping the volume at 0 dB is a good idea when you plan to use the DAW's mixer.

Zero width is also ok for mono sources, but I wouldn't do this in case of stereo tracks, especially not in case of ensembles. MIR likes the variation that comes from stereo signals triggering individual impulse responses for the left and right channels. The result in most cases sounds "richer" and more pleasing to the listener's ears.

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Thu, Mar 23 2023 04:11
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello Dietz

Thank you for your advise, for the moment I am only using one Musca track.

Originally Posted by: Dietz Go to Quoted Post

 MIR likes the variation that comes from stereo signals triggering individual impulse responses for the left and right channels. The result in most cases sounds "richer" and more pleasing to the listener's ears.

In my previous post I was speaking of the problem of a Drum kit

Do you have a better solution that mine ?

Kind regards

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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Posted on Sun, Mar 26 2023 16:46
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8293

Hi Cyril,

what exactly is the problem you have with the drum kit?

Regards,

/Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library
Posted on Mon, Mar 27 2023 02:10
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello Dietz

I have a dilemma about placing a Drum Kit 

If you look to the attach picture you are going to have a big laugh as the arms and the legs of the drummer are not long enough 

In a normal mix the instruments of the drum kit have one mic per instrument so the sound is placed from right to left

Do you have another  solution ?

Many thanks

Best

Cyril

CC = snare drum

BD = Bass drum

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--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
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Posted on Mon, Mar 27 2023 06:48
by Dietz
Joined on Tue, Aug 06 2002, Vienna / Europe, Posts 8293

If you like the sound, leave it like that - nothing wrong with it!

It seems as you're aiming for some kind of "unreal" hybrid drum sound, with the typical highly exaggerated panning of a dry studio recording, but with the wet signal's sound of a drum kit positioned far away from the listener. In that case I would create one or two MIR Icons set to 100% wet and use them as an reverb on an AUX send for your dry drum sounds in Logic's mixing console. This is also where the panning takes place, in that scenario. 

MIR's Icons have to be set to a General Purpose profile that allows for the extreme width you will need (see screenshot).

Hope that helps,

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Posted on Mon, Mar 27 2023 10:50
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello Dietz

Thank you very much for your answer.

I am going to do a try of the different solution that you propose to see what gives the best result.

My piece is almost finish, just waiting to be put to Itunes.

Kind regards

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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Posted on Wed, Mar 29 2023 06:19
by Cyril Blanc
Joined on Thu, Dec 19 2002, Paris France, Posts 2839

Hello Dietz

I have follow your indication

I have mix the drum kit in Logic on a bus and send that bus to MIR PRO

Many Thanks 

Cyril

MacBook Pro 2019 16" 64gb 4TB + 2 x Odisseey G9 49"

MacPro 2010 12 core 2.93 ghz 64 GB Mac OS X 10.11 2722 Rocket Raid Sata III card with 8 x ssd

Kbd : P80 Yamaha, S88 and S25 Komplete Kontrol, DX7
I-Controls Pro, 2xMidi expression pedals
Synth : many....
--
Logic X , Dorico, Band In A Box, ORB Composer
VSL : MIR PRO, Appassionata Strings I, Solo strings , Wind and Brass Complete, Dimension Brass, Big Band Orchestra series, Many Synchronised libs
Kontakt, Omnisphere, QLSO, QLSC, CS 80, Arturia V5, Maximo, Realivox Blue. CS 80 V3, The Orchestra 3, Art Conductor, Genesis Children Choir, Lunaris, Lacrimosa
Many Sychron Instruments

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