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Last post Thu, May 25 2023 by CC Keys, 7 replies.
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Posted on Wed, Apr 12 2023 10:28
by Rafa Ferreira
Joined on Sun, Aug 14 2022, Spain, Posts 15

Hello everybody!

After some months tweaking here and there, I have found an interesting discovery regarding Synchron Pianos as a plugin on Reaper. I would like to share this discovery with all of you, in case anyone finds himself/herself in this situation and makes the most of this advice.

I have tried some ways of using my presets for live performance (simple performance metric: number of voices after which cracks & pops start appearing), when using Reaper:

- 1 virtual instrument track using Synchron Pianos as a plugin.

- Multiple virtual instrument tracks (one for each mic) using Synchron Pianos as a plugin. <--- This worked flawlessly for some time...

- Then I started using (without Reaper) VE using multiple Synchron Pianos instances, one for each mic (Thanks @Stephen Limbaugh for the performance tips).

Until this stage of testing, VE was performing much better than Reaper. Then, I found out that Reaper also enables using VE as a plugin, using its "server" capabilities.
So my best setup using Reaper now consists of a simple virtual instrument track which calls VE plugin and then, in that instance, I open a "multiple track (one per mic)" VE project.

I sincerely hope this is useful for anybody.

Best regards.

PS: My current bottleneck is surprisingly my SSD. My limit is approx. 2200 voices with a 1024 samples buffer, moment at which my SSD reaches its speed limit. It might sound as a lot of voices, but when you play Debussy or Chopin on 7 or 8 mics with lots of sustain pedal, it's easy to go over that number. Speed test utility says 1000 MB/s. Synchron pianos shows 625 MB/s on its settings info.

Input: Yamaha U3 SH2 (silent piano with MIDI output)
Libraries: Synchron Pianos Yamaha CFX Full, D274 full.
PC Specs: RME HDSPe AIO, Asus Z590E, Intel i9 11900KF @5 GHz, 64GB RAM DDR4 @3600 MHz
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Posted on Thu, Apr 27 2023 00:41
by CC Keys
Joined on Mon, Apr 24 2023, Posts 4

Thanks Rafa for posting this! 

It's exactly what I needed.  I recently purchased the Yamaha CFX Synchron Piano and just started experimenting with using it in Reaper last night.  Thanks to you, I was able to get it working well in Reaper very quickly utilizing VE (free version).

Are you using the free version of VE or VE Pro?  Do you know if there is a performance difference between the two?

Thanks again!
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Posted on Thu, Apr 27 2023 07:34
by Rafa Ferreira
Joined on Sun, Aug 14 2022, Spain, Posts 15

Hi there! Wow, your reply makes me so happy! I'm glad to be helpful. I'm using the free version.

What I wonder, in case anyone of the VSL team is reading this, is why we have three different behaviors with different performance, just depending if you use the standalone app, as a plugin or via VE. Why can't the standalone app have the 'intelligence' to make instances of the different mics, internally? just like we do on VE.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by: CC Keys Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Rafa for posting this! 

It's exactly what I needed.  I recently purchased the Yamaha CFX Synchron Piano and just started experimenting with using it in Reaper last night.  Thanks to you, I was able to get it working well in Reaper very quickly utilizing VE (free version).

Are you using the free version of VE or VE Pro?  Do you know if there is a performance difference between the two?

Thanks again!

Input: Yamaha U3 SH2 (silent piano with MIDI output)
Libraries: Synchron Pianos Yamaha CFX Full, D274 full.
PC Specs: RME HDSPe AIO, Asus Z590E, Intel i9 11900KF @5 GHz, 64GB RAM DDR4 @3600 MHz
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Posted on Fri, Apr 28 2023 01:53
by CC Keys
Joined on Mon, Apr 24 2023, Posts 4

Yes, I agree.  I was wondering the exact same thing.  Why does the efficiency change in the three different scenarios; especially when it's VE vs standalone Synchron player.  You would think the Synchron player would most efficiently allocate and utilize resources (CPU threads, buffering, disk i/o, ...) or at least allow you to do it the same as VE.

Thanks again for posting and allowing me to benefit from all of your troubleshooting!  It sure made my life easier!

Originally Posted by: Rafa Ferreira Go to Quoted Post

Hi there! Wow, your reply makes me so happy! I'm glad to be helpful. I'm using the free version.

What I wonder, in case anyone of the VSL team is reading this, is why we have three different behaviors with different performance, just depending if you use the standalone app, as a plugin or via VE. Why can't the standalone app have the 'intelligence' to make instances of the different mics, internally? just like we do on VE.

Cheers.

Originally Posted by: CC Keys Go to Quoted Post

Thanks Rafa for posting this! 

It's exactly what I needed.  I recently purchased the Yamaha CFX Synchron Piano and just started experimenting with using it in Reaper last night.  Thanks to you, I was able to get it working well in Reaper very quickly utilizing VE (free version).

Are you using the free version of VE or VE Pro?  Do you know if there is a performance difference between the two?

Thanks again!
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Posted on Wed, May 10 2023 18:25
by CC Keys
Joined on Mon, Apr 24 2023, Posts 4

Originally Posted by: Rafa Ferreira Go to Quoted Post

My limit is approx. 2200 voices with a 1024 samples buffer

Hi Rafa!

Thanks again for posting this!

Where are you setting the voice limit and the sample buffer size?
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Posted on Wed, May 10 2023 22:07
by Rafa Ferreira
Joined on Sun, Aug 14 2022, Spain, Posts 15

Originally Posted by: CC Keys Go to Quoted Post

Hi Rafa!

Thanks again for posting this!

Where are you setting the voice limit and the sample buffer size?

Maybe I should explain a bit further. The sample buffer size is usually in your ASIO settings. In that use case, with VE loaded from Reaper, you should set your ASIO driver at a system level/ Reaper level.

Regarding my voice "limit" I wasn't refering to a limit set by me, what I was trying to explain is that, when using 1024 buffer size and playing all posible keys with a lot of sustain, and watching the voice count, I noticed that pops and cracks start appearing when I reach approx. 2200 voices. That is happening as low as 1700 voices if I decrease my sample buffer to 512. I also noticed that this empirical limit is "bottlenecked" by my SSD, which is not to fast (1000MB/s); so I will hopefully get rid of this "limit" by upgrading my SSD to a modern, internal, PCI SSD in the near future.

However, on the Edit module of the plugin, I set "Max Voices / Mic" and "Max Voices / Key" to their maximum, which is 1024 and 32, respectively. If I set a lower limit here, probably I won't get any cracks or pops whatsoever, at any time.

Hope this helps.

Best regards.

Input: Yamaha U3 SH2 (silent piano with MIDI output)
Libraries: Synchron Pianos Yamaha CFX Full, D274 full.
PC Specs: RME HDSPe AIO, Asus Z590E, Intel i9 11900KF @5 GHz, 64GB RAM DDR4 @3600 MHz
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Posted on Thu, May 25 2023 12:23
by CC Keys
Joined on Mon, Apr 24 2023, Posts 4

Thanks for the clarification Rafa!  That makes sense.
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