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Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 03:01
by PoppaJOL
Joined on Thu, Nov 17 2005, Las Vegas, Nevada USA, Posts 153
OK this new product sounds really wonderful. My questions revolve around how to use it and integrate it with what I already have. I hope the questions don't sound too stupid but I'm asking because I'm relatively new and I really don't know.

I've got the VSL Pro Edition and the Performance Set. Computers: two 64 bit PC's, each with 4GB of RAM. One PC has GS3 Orch., on a 160 GB system drive plus two 500 GB hard drives (2x250 RAID 0) with the VSL Pro on one drive and other sample libraries on the second drive. The second PC has Sibelius 4, Sonar 5 Producer and Samplitude, all on the 160 GB system drive, as well as the two 500 GB hard drives. MIDI interface is MIDIoverLAN which has worked perfectly so far.

So, on which computer would I put the VI or am I supposed to acquire a new one for that?. Also, how does the VI system integrate with the other VSL products if at all?. Is it entirely separate like a Kontact Instrument (e.g. EWQLSO)? Do I understand that there is a Plug In and a stand alone version? If I chose the plug in would I then set it up with Sonar5? If I chose the stand alone would I put it on the same computer with the other samples? And lastly, if I purchase this am I essentially giving up most of the usage of my other VSL products?

Again, I hope these questions are not too much. I would really like to understand before making a decision. Thank You.

Be Well,

Poppa
Any tone or group of tones can preceed, succeed or sound simultaneously with any other... inspired by V. Persichetti - 20th Century Harmony
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 12:19
by cwillsher
Joined on Fri, Mar 04 2005, Southampton, UK, Posts 210
Hi Poppa,

I think you probably need to read further through the forum to get detailed answers and to understand the new instruments a little further - I think all your answers are there. But to get you moving forward I'll pass what is only my understanding of the situation. Maybe later, someone with more experience can confirm all this for you.

PoppaJOL wrote:
So, on which computer would I put the VI or am I supposed to acquire a new one for that?


If you upgrade, as you probably should do being a Pro Edition user all of the sample material for the new instruments will be provided as new and duplicate much (about half if you go for the extended edition) of what you have already. So you're probably best off purging your old material and using that existing hard disk. Alternatively, you may want to continue to use the old library in order to revisit 'old' VSL compositions without the fuss of reprogramming the VIs, but you can probably re-programme your old templates easily enough and ditch the old library (at least to back on the shelf).

PoppaJOL wrote:
Also, how does the VI system integrate with the other VSL products if at all?. Is it entirely separate like a Kontact Instrument (e.g. EWQLSO)?


Yes, it's a virtual instrument in that sense and doesn't use the existing samples directly at all - though many will sound the same. It's all been compressed as new 24-bit files and moved to a new, proprietary sample format, which the VI will decompress on the fly.

PoppaJOL wrote:
Do I understand that there is a Plug In and a stand alone version?


Yes.

PoppaJOL wrote:
If I chose the plug in would I then set it up with Sonar5?


Probably yes, that would make the most sense to me.

PoppaJOL wrote:
If I chose the stand alone would I put it on the same computer with the other samples?


As before, probably not with the other samples, but that's your call - you wouldn't NEED them anyway. And I believe the VI is NOT multitimbral, so in stand-alone mode it could only manage to play one articulation/instrument at a time.

PoppaJOL wrote:
And lastly, if I purchase this am I essentially giving up most of the usage of my other VSL products?


Pretty much, but again it depends if you want to keep them for backup purposes.

Hope I made sense and was correct in my assumptions.

Cheers

Colin
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 16:14
by g.beljon
Joined on Wed, Apr 14 2004, Netherlands, Posts 277
Hello Poppa,

Quote:
PoppaJOL wrote:
If I chose the stand alone would I put it on the same computer with the other samples?


As before, probably not with the other samples, but that's your call - you wouldn't NEED them anyway. And I believe the VI is NOT multitimbral, so in stand-alone mode it could only manage to play one articulation/instrument at a time.


If the VI is not multitimbral it is not very useful I think? I would want to use it for orchestral set ups, so that seems not to be possible then?

Greetings,

Gerard Beljon
Are you sure about that?
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 16:23
by Mobius
Joined on Mon, Jun 06 2005, Brighton, U.K., Posts 128
g.beljon wrote:
If the VI is not multitimbral it is not very useful I think? I would want to use it for orchestral set ups, so that seems not to be possible then?

Greetings,

Gerard Beljon
Are you sure about that?


My understanding is that you would just need to load extra instances of the VI plug-in within your sequencer in order to gain multitimbral functionality.
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 16:54
by g.beljon
Joined on Wed, Apr 14 2004, Netherlands, Posts 277
Quote:

My understanding is that you would just need to load extra instances of the VI plug-in within your sequencer in order to gain multitimbral functionality.


And what if I would use it as a stand-alone?

Gerard Beljon
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 17:41
by cwillsher
Joined on Fri, Mar 04 2005, Southampton, UK, Posts 210
Exactly...my guess is you would only have one instrument to play with.

Another alternative of course is to use an AU or VSTi 'wrapper'.

Colin
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 18:42
by PoppaJOL
Joined on Thu, Nov 17 2005, Las Vegas, Nevada USA, Posts 153
Colin:

Thank you so much. Your information is quite clear and seems entirely in line with what I am getting from reading the other threads. I definitely have some concerns about the stand alone version. Clearly, I need to learn a lot more.

At present, I'm leaning toward the Plug In version on the sequencing computer (Sonar5) which has a huge amount of unused hard disk space because it's new. I would then keep my sample computer as is. This way I don't lose anything I've already worked on. Also, since VSL seems best suited for "serious" music, there are other genres for which the other sample libraries might still be more appropriate. I could even perhaps use bits of the VSL as a supplement to those. I don't see any reason why I shouldn't be able to use all the various libraries and sample players, including the "old" VSL Pro, to suit the variety of musical situations extant.

I hope others will continue to post their understanding as they get it because I'm still just beginning to get involved in all this. It is an interesting and marvelous time to be a composer!

Be well,

Poppa
Any tone or group of tones can preceed, succeed or sound simultaneously with any other... inspired by V. Persichetti - 20th Century Harmony
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 19:12
by cwillsher
Joined on Fri, Mar 04 2005, Southampton, UK, Posts 210
Please someone tell me if I've missed something, but I think you'll get the VST, AU & Stand-Alone versions in the box - that would make sense to me. So then at least you can try out various working methods.

I don't think it's like before when you had to choose a platform to run it on.

Colin
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 21:04
by herb
Joined on Mon, Aug 05 2002, Posts 4622
You get all versions, no sidegrades necessary.

best
herb
Posted on Sun, Nov 27 2005 21:24
by PoppaJOL
Joined on Thu, Nov 17 2005, Las Vegas, Nevada USA, Posts 153
Colin & Herb:

Thanks again. I understand that we will get all the versions. My question really is about the best way to use it rather than exactly what we'll be getting. I'm really, quite selfishly, fantasizing about how I would set this all up given what I already have. This is probably different for each individual based on their set-up and musical needs. Having the options is always a good thing (thanks Herb). Just as with a lot of the previous sample material, we may have it but not use it because it doesn't fit our requirements at the time. Yet, we still want to have it - at least, I do Smile .

Be well,

Poppa
Any tone or group of tones can preceed, succeed or sound simultaneously with any other... inspired by V. Persichetti - 20th Century Harmony
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