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  • I'm trying not to be a skeptic...

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    I'm trying not to be a skeptic on the new VSI product.

    Yes, I was one of the angry protesters of the upgrade price. I wondered why I didn't have the option of using 16 or 24 bit samples in the VSI. Hence, I bought all of the rationale by the staunch group of VSI defenders and started saving some money for the massive upgrade offer.

    However, I'm a user of some of the Yellowtools products and recently recieved a real upgrade offer to a product that looks very similar to VSI with the inclusion of something like MIR.

    Can someone tell me the big difference between the 2 products? This is a pretty big investment for me and I'm sure many others....[/b]
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    Must confess that I didn't know much about Yellowtools before I read your post. But you're probably thinking of their Independence product (is that right?) which according to their homepage contains part of, but not the whole, Kirk Hunter Symphony Orchestra Library (KHSO). Though having very little experience myself, comparing the KHSO audio demos to the VSL libraries I think the VSL libraries sound much more alive. What do you think?

    Their Origami IR engine seems to have similarities with GigaPulse, but assuming that MIR would surpass the capabilities of GigaPulse, I don't know if it would be fair to compare it to MIR.

    I think your question really is about three different things: sample quality, playability (/workflow) and IR engine capabilities. It might be fruitful to evaluate those things seperately. Sorry, if this wasn't helpful to you. I hope you will get answers by some more experienced users as well. Anyway, it's a good thing that there's some competition in this area.

    Best Regards,
    Nils
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    Thanks Nil. I'm just trying to make sure that I sped this next dollar well.

    It looks as if you can do load VSL samples in there also. I also think that the Kirk Hunter collection is not up to the VSL standards.
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    I think an advantage you are going to have is getting up and running before a lot of other people do due to ability to afford. The sooner you get a handle on this new technology the sooner you will be ahead of a lot of others. If you create demos that do things people aren't used to hearing (for example the performance trills with their incredibly nimble and realistic quick passages) than you will indeed be on the cutting edge of sample technology which I think is a huge plus.
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    @Beaswax said:

    Thanks Nil. I'm just trying to make sure that I sped this next dollar well.

    It looks as if you can do load VSL samples in there also. I also think that the Kirk Hunter collection is not up to the VSL standards.


    Regarding being able to load VSL samples I just discovered that Yellowtools has another company called Chicken Systems do the import for them. I'm pretty sure that's the same company that did the Kontakt2 import function. I've not used the import function of Kontakt2 myself, but if you follow the K2 forums it appears the import function is a big disappointment to many K2 users. K2 users were promised practically universal important, but it seems that a lot of people are unable to import other formats, even NI's own formats.
    It's always a bit difficult to judge the situation from forum posts since you may get an overly negative image, nevertheless you should take care investigating how stable the import function really is for the formats you're thinking of importing.

    In your first post you mentioned "VSI" - did you mean VI or VSL?
    Surely comparing VI to another sampler would be difficult since the VI samples can only be played by VI. On the other hand it would be perfectly natural to compare K2+VSL with GS3+VSL and Independence+imported VSL (if this combination is indeed possible). Using another sampler than VI one would of course miss out on the improved workflow in VI, but might benefit from lower prices.
    Sorry if I misunderstood you somewhere?

    Best Regards,
    Nils

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    By "using another sampler than VI" I was of course referring to using such a sampler with VSL samples not the new VI samples.
    Thanks Dietz for your clarification.
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    The content released with a Vienna Instrument is not compatible with other player-software.
    /Dietz - Vienna Symphonic Library