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Addressing 8gig of RAM using 2 G5s for Vienna Instruments..
Last post Fri, Apr 21 2006 by charl, 15 replies.
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Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 02:54
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Hi all,

I am trying to setup 2 G5 computers to adress 8 gig RAM worth of Vienna Instruments.

The plan:

1) Setup 2nd G5 (slave) to recieve MIDI using ethernet (done it works using Audio/Midi setup)

2) Setup 2nd G5 (slave) to pipe Audio into Host G5 via lightpipe to my Metric Halo (done it works)

Problems: On the Slave G5 I launch Vienna Instruments stand-alone and give it a midi channel...that worx BUT i can only initiate 1 instance of VI in stand-alone mode. I need to to initiate at least 8 instances, meaning that I need a Host DAW on the slave machine......Enter Logic7...BUT the L7 and VI dongles are already being used by the main G5.....how do I get around this?

To be more clear:

My main G5 will be running Logic 7, as soon as I run out of RAM on that G5, I wish to load more instances of Vienna on the 2nd G5 (slave)...

please help...

PS: sorry for posting twice, but the subject heading in my other post was wrongWink

Thanx,

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 04:59
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
You don't need anything as fancy as Logic as an AU host. The cheapest one is AU Lab, part of the developer's tools that come with your Mac. I don't kow how well it works. Garage Band also hosts AUs, but I've never tried it with anything serious. Or you could just buy a copy of Logic Express.

Steinberg V-Stack (I think it supports AU as well as VST), Plogue Bidule, and plasq RAX are others. Native Instrruments KORE looks interesting, altthough it's more expensive than the others.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 11:17
by g.beljon
Joined on Wed, Apr 14 2004, Netherlands, Posts 277
Logic Express does not work. I had a lot of trouble with it. Au lab is also no good, it keeps 'forgetting' its set up. I now use Plogue Bidule, which is cheap (70 euro) and works.

Gerard Beljon
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 11:37
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
NICK......

eureka!!!!!!!

AU LAB worx GREAT Wink

something occured to me....you know how Logic7 has that 3-4 gig RAM max out?

Well,

does it not stand to reason that AU Lab as it is part of the DEV tools IS a 64Bit app?
Meaning that it CAN adress 8 gig of RAM?

or am I kidding myself?

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 11:48
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Gerard,,,

Does Plogue support 64 bit addressing ....so I can use the full 8 gig of RAM in my 2nd G5?

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 16:03
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
it was explained to me that no program that uses the graphic interface - meaning no program that isn't Unix text-based, i.e. no program that we'll ever use - has 64-bit addressing. Only Terminal programs can be 64-bit.

Actually, it's supposed to be possible to program hybrids, but nobody has done that yet (as far as I know).
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 17:48
by dpcon
Joined on Sat, Oct 12 2002, Los Angeles, Posts 1646
I've been using Plogue on a PC and it works great. At some point I'll run it on a second G5 to host more VI's.
Dave Connor
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 22:57
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Nick....

I bought plogue and it occurred to me that since Logic has a 4 gig RAM limit...

So does plogue .......Soif I run plogue and Logic on my main machine, each program can run circa 4 gig of VIs, so on one machine I can utilise 8 gigs worth right?

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 23:27
by imusic
Joined on Mon, Nov 17 2003, Zürich, Los Angeles, Posts 34
There is currently no way (so far I know) to address more than 4GB RAM in Panther or Tiger. The limit will fall probably with Leopard the same applies I guess with Windows Vista. Well in the meantime you have to work with 4GB inside of an application (that's why the made the VI server AU stuff I guess again Cool ?!)

best, imusic
Posted on Tue, Apr 18 2006 23:36
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Imusic...

That is my point since within Logic it is 4 gig...

Shouldn't there be another 4 gig for Plogue Bid?

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Wed, Apr 19 2006 01:43
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
Yes, each program has 4GB (3GB or so in the real world). The question is whether the system will be stable running that way.
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Wed, Apr 19 2006 01:48
by svonkampen
Joined on Wed, Jan 05 2005, San Diego, California, Posts 828
Well....

I will let you know in some hours....loading up massive amounts of RAM now Wink


BUT check my other post..

I only need 1 program (L7) to access the 8 gig as long as 4 gig are Vienna Instruments and the other 4 are exs24 Vienna Wink

VSL Server has it's own memory it does not load into memory of Logic...

I think this will work...If it does I will have great use for all the old EXS vienna stuff.

SvK
I once thought I was wrong, but I was mistaken.
MacPro 2x3Ghz Dual-Core Intel Xeon, 16 Gig RAM, 10.6.2, Metric Halo 2882, Logic 9
Posted on Wed, Apr 19 2006 05:55
by Nick Batzdorf
Joined on Tue, Apr 29 2003, Los Angeles, Posts 2546
If i weren't having horrendous problems getting an external SATA drive I'm installing to work, I'd be able to see for myself...
Mac Pro 5,1 12-core 3.46 GHz, 64MB RAM, latest macOS available. Metric Halo 2882 interface.

VisionDAW Windows 7 Pro i7 950 3.07 4-core, 24GB RAM. Has an RME Hammerfall HDSP9632, but I just use VE Pro. Also several ancient P4 XP slaves, rarely used.
Posted on Wed, Apr 19 2006 17:07
by stevesong
Joined on Mon, Oct 18 2004, NYC, Posts 714
How does one obtain AU Lab?
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Posted on Fri, Apr 21 2006 00:32
by charl
Joined on Tue, Mar 30 2004, Posts 96
I thought I'd just post that I use Rax for hosting VSL VI's. it's quite flexible.
I route midi via IACBUS, and run Rax at 250 samples audio buffer.

So I can switch from one Logic song to another without having to wait ages for samples to load..

I posted a very long post on Sonikmatter.
http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30308&hl=quad
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